Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[ufo_investigations]

Look what this guy says about banning the burka

[cherry*135]

icy - you left a comment that said a person could use a burqa to hide their identity when they fly out of an airport, and that they should be banned because of this.

Do you know the current procedure for idenitifying people that turn up to passport control wearing a burqa\niqab? 

NSW Parliament will not ban the burqa, says Premier Mike Baird

Mehreen Faruqi, a Greens Member of the Legislative Council,  and the first Muslim woman to enter an Australian parliament, said: "These proposals are about racist dog-whistling and attempts to fracture our multicultural community. Sadly, it has already green-lighted racist violence against Muslims across the country.

"As usual, it is women who bear the brunt of these racist attacks, brought on by a patronising attempt to 'liberate' them."

Under laws introduced to the NSW Parliament three years ago, police, parole officers and officers of the court have the power to compel women to lift their veils to identify them, even if they are not suspected of a serious criminal offence. 

Officers must first ask for a woman's co-operation and must view someone's face in a way that protects their privacy, if they request it. 

Failure to comply with the law brings a fine of $220, or more than $5000 and a maximum 12 months' imprisonment if they are driving a car suspected to have been involved in a criminal offence. 

A report by the NSW Ombudsman found that police only needed to invoke their new powers eight times more than a year after the law was passed, with women complying with police instructions in every instance. 

Veils must also be lifted for government-issued identification documents, including passports and driver's licences. 

The Islamic Council of NSW says that a Muslim woman is permitted by Islam to remove her face covering in the presence of a male officer for the purposes of identification. 

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/nsw-parliament-will-not-ban-the-burqa-says-premier-mike-baird-20141002-10p...

[icyfroth]

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@debra9275 wrote:

so does that change your view a little bit, knowing that we're not at war with muslim countries?

fgs Deb.

We have commenced military action in Iraq against Muslim radicals ISIL/ISIS there, which are running around killing Christians and beheading western ppl.

There are cells of this radical group throughout Australia. Indeed they have been intercepted by Federal Police in planning a beheading of a random person in Sydney.

You think such a person could not disguise themselves and conceal a knife under a burqa in order to carry out such an execution?

Burqas are seen fairly regularly in Sydney, you know.

[azureline**]

better ban coats too...............

and socks.

[purplecarrot-top]

So how many crimes or acts of terrorism have these burqa wearing women committed here?

Icy do you remember the day we met in Sydney? My daughter was with me. Also another woman. That woman is Muslim and was not covered even with a hijab. She is from Pakistan. Her husband is a doctor here at present.

[debra9275]

fgs Icy, they are also murdering/beheading thousands of innocent muslims too

there are also good and bad Australians, weapons could be concealed in any way in all items of clothing, if someone australian, muslim, or alien had evil intent

just because a person is a muslim does not mean that they plan to attack us all, and I mean the burqa wearing women  too

as I have previpously stated, I don't like the clothing and would want to have to wear it myself, but i can accept it as part of somone eles culture in the same way that i accept people wearing saris

[azureline**]

Strangely, those "terrorists" who appeared in court have been released, (except for 1?) and the alleged beheadings were not mentioned in court. None of the accused wore a burqa.

[cherry*135]

Are those good enough reasons to ban burqa's from being worn Australia wide?

icy: In summary:

I think the burqa is a symbol of oppression by muslim men of muslim women. As such, proponents of women's rights should condemn it.

That is an opinion, it isn't a fact

It is a garment designed to conceal. As such it is viewed by Aus security with suspicion as it could be used to conceal identity and/or weapons.

Other garments worn by non-Muslims can (and have done) be used to conceal weapons.

Authorities can request a burqa/niqab wearer to remove their head coverings for identification purposes in some states. NSW is one of them ( population 7.4m)

It is unlikely it will be banned in Australia as Aus citizens enjoy freedom of choice with regard to dress standards.

I agree, not in the near future anyway. We are not  France and we are not Belgium. There are estimated up to 200 women who may wear a burqa in Australia.

Muslim women in Australia may or may not choose to wear the burqa enjoy the same liberty according to Australian law.

There is no such law.

I have no doubt some Muslim women in Australia are constrained to wear the burqa by requirement of more orthodox belief sets. 

 The rest wear the burqa then because they choose to then.

[cherry*135]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@debra9275 wrote:

As we have now commenced military action against Iraq, a predominantly Muslim country, special considerations against internal terrorism apply

Icy we are not at war with Iraq

we are figthing Isis, an extreme terrorist group, we are actually fighting for and with Iraqui and Syrian  muslims in their countries against Isis

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Yes you're right, thank you. Pardon my error.

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That was a huge inaccuracy, and frankly puts doubts on the rest of your comments as to how informed you are about what you are commenting on.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@karliandjacko wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

I haven't read all 39 pages of posts in this thread, and nor do I intend to, but .... 

as far as wearing items of clothing that may hide the identity of a person - why do all Financial Institutions (and maybe others too, I don't know) insist that helmets are removed when you enter their premises?

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Because there were some robberies during which people wore helmets to hide their identity before the rule was introduced.

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so, we'll wait until the first / second / third suicide bomb goes off to make the rule? OK then.