22-09-2014 08:59 AM - edited 22-09-2014 09:00 AM
07-10-2014 08:12 PM - edited 07-10-2014 08:12 PM
From article posted earlier (by NW)
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07-10-2014 08:14 PM - edited 07-10-2014 08:17 PM
Many more countries that haven't banned the burqa/niqab... got to take that into consideration too.
There are 45 countries in Europe.
Netherlands ( Netherlands government's highest advisory body – the Council of State – rejected a proposed veil-banning law, saying the government had not demonstrated a "pressing social need". The ban plan was dropped in 2012 after the collapse of the Dutch centre-right government.)
Spain ( In 2010 Spain's Lerida municipality banned full-face veils but in 2013 the country's Supreme Court annulled the laws, finding they had no "legitimate aims", would isolate the women concerned and give rise to discrimination against them.
on 07-10-2014 08:15 PM
@boris1gary wrote:and I am free to express my alarm of the amount of people suffering from fear of cross dressers.
At least you're free to post without the posts mysteriously vanishing :D:D
on 07-10-2014 08:23 PM
@am*3 wrote:Many more countries that haven't banned the burqa/niqab... got to take that into consideration too.
There are 45 countries in Europe.
Prohibition has never acheived the change desired by the act of prohibition.
Open friendly dialogue is the way for change in the 21st century.
Cultural oppression does not cure other cultural oppression. When we can't even get the name of the garments right it's a sure sign that it's more an excuse for discrimination than an honest attempt to free women from the confines of the garments they wear.
Just as the stop the boats propaganda campaign had nothing to do with saving lives the ban the burqa propaganda has nothing to do with freeing women from oppression.
on 08-10-2014 08:48 AM
@ufo_investigations wrote:Imagine if we tried to introduce bikinis in the Middle East they would have beheadings, hangings, beatings, stonings it would be total carnage.
Not according to your ally.
on 08-10-2014 10:43 AM
What puzzles me and many other liberal thinkers is the defence women on here are putting up for this type of garment that completely dehumanizes women.
The usual chattering from the left is on fervid display on here but I am standing tall on the freedoms of women, the freedom of being subservient like animals, some women are less valued as a human being and a woman sitting in the corner, shrouded from head to toe is just that, an object with no face or rights just a thing.
This shroud is an affront to all women.
It's like a woman having a blanket thrown over her to shut her up, to shut her down to minimise her. None of the ramifications of this garb has been discussed on here, all the left want to to is disagree for the sake of it.
I haven't heard one argument for the wearing of this except the mealy mouth weasel words of "women have a right to wear it", what about all the women who do not have rights?? where's your argument for them..........silence is all I hear.
on 08-10-2014 10:53 AM
@micasheen wrote:What puzzles me and many other liberal thinkers is the defence women on here are putting up for this type of garment that completely dehumanizes women.
The usual chattering from the left is on fervid display on here but I am standing tall on the freedoms of women, the freedom of being subservient like animals, some women are less valued as a human being and a woman sitting in the corner, shrouded from head to toe is just that, an object with no face or rights just a thing.
This shroud is an affront to all women.
It's like a woman having a blanket thrown over her to shut her up, to shut her down to minimise her. None of the ramifications of this garb has been discussed on here, all the left want to to is disagree for the sake of it.
I haven't heard one argument for the wearing of this except the mealy mouth weasel words of "women have a right to wear it", what about all the women who do not have rights?? where's your argument for them..........silence is all I hear.
You haven't heard because you refuse to listen to any view point other than your own.
What is more of an affront to women is the refusal to engage the women concerned in the conversation about their attire.
If the burqa is like throwing a blanket over her to shut her down banning her attire without enaging her in the conversation is like stripping her off and trampling all over her under the pretence that you're saving her from herself and the only culture she has known throughout her life.
The burqa is not commonly worn in Australia and fighting those who wear it is not going to help them ease into the new community and life style. Welcome her and she will feel more relaxed and at ease about changing her style of dress.
on 08-10-2014 12:00 PM
@karliandjacko wrote:
@micasheen wrote:What puzzles me and many other liberal thinkers is the defence women on here are putting up for this type of garment that completely dehumanizes women.
The usual chattering from the left is on fervid display on here but I am standing tall on the freedoms of women, the freedom of being subservient like animals, some women are less valued as a human being and a woman sitting in the corner, shrouded from head to toe is just that, an object with no face or rights just a thing.
This shroud is an affront to all women.
It's like a woman having a blanket thrown over her to shut her up, to shut her down to minimise her. None of the ramifications of this garb has been discussed on here, all the left want to to is disagree for the sake of it.
I haven't heard one argument for the wearing of this except the mealy mouth weasel words of "women have a right to wear it", what about all the women who do not have rights?? where's your argument for them..........silence is all I hear.
You haven't heard because you refuse to listen to any view point other than your own.
What is more of an affront to women is the refusal to engage the women concerned in the conversation about their attire.
If the burqa is like throwing a blanket over her to shut her down banning her attire without enaging her in the conversation is like stripping her off and trampling all over her under the pretence that you're saving her from herself and the only culture she has known throughout her life.
The burqa is not commonly worn in Australia and fighting those who wear it is not going to help them ease into the new community and life style. Welcome her and she will feel more relaxed and at ease about changing her style of dress.
So it's outr fault that we haven't talked to these women to try to talk them into "integrating" into our society?? to talk them out of wearing the garb?
They have taken up the garment to isolate themselves from us? that's what its designed for, get real.
You have completely missed the point. I am discussing the wearing of the buqa in many countries, the plight of women forced to dehumanize themselves, I did not specifically target Australia but I'm sure you knew that.
Tell me how you go trying to engage a women who is covered from head to toe, being that the garment is designed to discourage any social contact at all.
The sheer obtuseness of the supporters makes me wonder what age they are, what is the mindset this defence springs from? of a garment that is totally designed to isolate and subjugate women.
on 08-10-2014 12:06 PM
I find it a bit intriguing that so many, are trying to save so few women, from being dehumanised, yet not one burqa wearing woman, or her children, are demanding it be banned. (in Australia)
on 08-10-2014 12:23 PM