22-09-2014 08:59 AM - edited 22-09-2014 09:00 AM
on 12-10-2014 08:30 AM
on 12-10-2014 08:47 AM
@azureline** wrote:
@lightningdance wrote:
@azureline** wrote:If people object to burqa wearing and face concealment etc, perhaps they might want to do something in the way of assisting the women they "care" so much about and stage a protest or take up a petition, maybe even start a group for emancipation of these women.
So you're comment re others who "care" about the women who are subjugated, by putting the word "care" into inverted commas is that because you think they don't care about the plight of women all over the world? not just in Australia? because if so then give us your thoughts on posters who do care about the subjugation of women.
It is exactly what I said, those who care (want the burqa banned for the sake of these women not because they feel affronted or intimidated themselves) about the plight of women who are forced to wear the burqa should maybe have a protest or a petition, something useful.
No, you put "care" in inverted commas and in your reply you put care in italics. So by that I take it you don't think anybody who objects to women being subjugated really does "care" as you put it.
on 12-10-2014 08:55 AM
on 12-10-2014 08:57 AM
@iapetus_rocks wrote:
@am*3 wrote:Yes, already got that from iap*s posts.
Do we always have to account for the 1% or less of people who think a man may be under a burqa? I think not.
Burqa's are blue anyway.
Hey, I must object. I have never raised concerns re whether it could be a man under the burqa and I even said above that I think the supposed "security issues" are a red herring anyway.
My concern is and always has been with patriarchal religious systems which hold that women are less than the equals of men, and which finds one form of that expression by "encouraging" their women to dress in a certain fashion; one which inhibits their ability to freely interact with others in society; a dress form which effectively negates them as individual persons and denies them the right to express that individuality via their choice of clothing, make-up and/or hairstyle.
Let's be honest . . . there is not much no opportunity to express any individuality for a person who dresses in such a manner that even their facial expressions are concealed, let alone their hairstyles.
And these dress forms are not chosen freely. They just are not.
They are dress codes dictated by a religion which marginalises its' womenfolk, and which even goes on to blame the women if the men are lacking in some basic human decencies; respect being not the least of these.
Why are only the women who dress like ones masked and anonymous, considered worthy of respect in Islam? Why?
At last, a poster who calls it like it is for the oppressed women of the world and some here in Aus too.
All this defence for a stone age garment that totally oblibterates a woman from socializing, an edict put on her by men and a religion that just has no respect for women in some countries.
There is no defence for marginalizing women, for subjugating women, for oppressing women and all the other horrors perpetrated on women by a stone age mentality of many men and their diseased take on islam.
on 12-10-2014 09:08 AM
@azureline** wrote:
Roman Catholic Womenpriests are at the forefront of a model of service that offers Catholics a renewed priestly ministry in vibrant grassroots communities where all are equal and all are welcome. The voice of the Catholic people---the sensus fidelium---has spoken.
We women are no longer asking for permission to be priests. Instead, we have taken back our rightful God-given place ministering to Catholics as inclusive and welcoming priests.
Yes, we have challenged and broken the Church's Canon Law 1024, an unjust law that discriminates against women.
Despite what some bishops may lead the faithful to believe, our ordinations are valid because we are ordained in apostolic succession within the Roman Catholic Church.
The Catholic people have accepted us as their priests and they continue to support us as we grow from the seven bold women first ordained on the Danube River in 2002. Ordained women are already ministering in over 32 states across the country. We are here to stay.
Not quite the all accepting and equal status you would have us believe?
We are discussing the burqa, NOT Christianity, which last time I looked it didn't behead people, bury them alive, shoot young girls in the head for trying to get an education, cut hands off and much much worse, things that are unmentionalbe on here.
So trying to equate the Christian religion with what's happening with islam now is appalling and worse. IMO
on 12-10-2014 09:14 AM
on 12-10-2014 09:14 AM
@lightningdance wrote:
@azureline** wrote:
@lightningdance wrote:
@azureline** wrote:If people object to burqa wearing and face concealment etc, perhaps they might want to do something in the way of assisting the women they "care" so much about and stage a protest or take up a petition, maybe even start a group for emancipation of these women.
So you're comment re others who "care" about the women who are subjugated, by putting the word "care" into inverted commas is that because you think they don't care about the plight of women all over the world? not just in Australia? because if so then give us your thoughts on posters who do care about the subjugation of women.
It is exactly what I said, those who care (want the burqa banned for the sake of these women not because they feel affronted or intimidated themselves) about the plight of women who are forced to wear the burqa should maybe have a protest or a petition, something useful.
No, you put "care" in inverted commas and in your reply you put care in italics. So by that I take it you don't think anybody who objects to women being subjugated really does "care" as you put it.
Stop rewriting my posts.
on 12-10-2014 10:01 AM
@azureline** wrote:
@lightningdance wrote:
@azureline** wrote:
Roman Catholic Womenpriests are at the forefront of a model of service that offers Catholics a renewed priestly ministry in vibrant grassroots communities where all are equal and all are welcome. The voice of the Catholic people---the sensus fidelium---has spoken.
We women are no longer asking for permission to be priests. Instead, we have taken back our rightful God-given place ministering to Catholics as inclusive and welcoming priests.
Yes, we have challenged and broken the Church's Canon Law 1024, an unjust law that discriminates against women.
Despite what some bishops may lead the faithful to believe, our ordinations are valid because we are ordained in apostolic succession within the Roman Catholic Church.
The Catholic people have accepted us as their priests and they continue to support us as we grow from the seven bold women first ordained on the Danube River in 2002. Ordained women are already ministering in over 32 states across the country. We are here to stay.
Not quite the all accepting and equal status you would have us believe?
We are discussing the burqa, NOT Christianity, which last time I looked it didn't behead people, bury them alive, shoot young girls in the head for trying to get an education, cut hands off and much much worse, things that are unmentionalbe on here.
So trying to equate the Christian religion with what's happening with islam now is appalling and worse. IMO
who is doing that? my reply was to another poster's post, not yours. Don't tell me what I am doing or what I mean, it is not your right to rewrite my posts to fit your agenda.
I did not re write your post and I'm entitled to reply to any post I want to. You have no right to try to shut a poster down just because you can't handle what you wrote. You posted about the Catholic religion when this thread is clearly about the burqa.
You put "care" in inverted commas and care in italics, when you did that you exposed yourself . You clearly meant that you do not believe a poster really cares about womens rights and plight worldwide.
on 12-10-2014 10:03 AM
@jimmy*part3 wrote:
@iapetus_rocks wrote:Maybe tomorrow I'll go out and get a fitting for a collander to wear on my head,
Don't do it! Collanders might be Holy, but.....
You'll end up having a memory like a sieve.
You'll have to strain to remember anything.
Thanks jp3, we needed a bit of light relief.
on 12-10-2014 10:03 AM
There you go, Az, obviously you didn't mean what you thought you did.