Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

[nero_bolt]

Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

[lloydslights]

I see that as a class photo .  

I also see it as a picture.

DEB

[k0llectable5]

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@nero_wulf wrote:

An Islamic variation to the old School Photo we all look back at with nostalgia!

I love school photographs. It's wonderful to look back in years to come and recognize all your old classmates and the memories of all the fun times you had together.....

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I kinda see the black humour in that for me looking at it, it's a bit like whats the point?  Everyone just looks the same...  But I'm sure for the school girls in the photo they know who's there, they'd have their class lists and would be able to point out where they are and where their best buddies are ect...  There are some clear variations in the shapes and colours of the eye openings, some are oval and some are more rectangular, wonder if that symbolizes anything in particular...  

[icyfroth]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@muppet_detector wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

How many posters have seen a woman dressed in a burqa on the beach in Australia? I haven't. I have seen them in a blue garment (face not covered) in the water. 

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I think this is ridiculous and incredibly unsafe. Is that really swimming attire? Boardies are a big enough PIA in the surf. They fill up with water and drag you down and impede mobility, but imagine these poor people having a swim, or even if they were accidentally knocked over by a wave whilst paddling in the shallows, or worse, caught in a rip. I wonder if they are strong enough swimmers to be able to cope whilst weighed down with all that waterlogged material.

Surely there has to be some element of common sense and consideration for safety? Fair enough, wear as much as you want whilst safely sitting up on the beach, but stay away from the water.

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They are paddling.  I think the rest of us can see that.  Haven't you ever paddled while fully dressed?

This is swimming attire.

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That's a burkini, allowed for young moderate muslim women wishing to take part in the Lifesaving program.

This is how more orthodox muslim women go swimming:

[azureline**]

and here are other types of swim wear

http://www.emaan.com.au/store/index.php/sale/swimwear.html/

[cherry*135]

Ligtningdance wrote:
Should the burqa be banned in Australia is the topic.

[cherry*135]

The photo of the Muslim family in the water - the adults aren't 'swimming' they are standing in the water. Big difference when fully clothed.

I haven't read any reports in the news of any Muslim women drowning in the ocean, lake or river while wearing traditional Muslim attire.

What is an ORTHODOX Muslim?

[muppet_detector]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

3 things:

Australia has a policy of multiculturalism, not assimilation. That means we accept that people will continue to live their culture while they live here. That is what makes the country what it is.

Secondly, there are double the number of Chinese in Australia than there are Muslims. Add then all the other Asian countries and they form the biggest migrant group. They have also been the target of most of our racism for the last 200+ years. Except for that brief interlude after the war when the Jews, Italians, Greeks etc were our greatest fear. To see replicas of China, take a train to Strathfiels, Ashfield or Hurstvill in Sydney.

Thirdly, no one is trying to take away Christmas or any of those other things. These are things that are made up by Musrdoch newspapers and you will never find a genuine report about Muslims attempting this.

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3 Things

I don't believe that multiculturalsism means that immigrants will continue to live all aspects of their culture while they live here,

Secondly, Well, the Chinese have been immigrating for quite some time, they have a bit of a head start on the Muslim community, wouldn't you say? I am pretty sure the Chinese were immigrating during our Gold Rush era - that was back in the 1800's. There are quite a few generations living here now. I am sure that given the same amount of time the Muslim Community will have equal representation. BTW, That was just an example, I didn't feel it necessary to mention every group of immigrants we have ever received. The point about us not being China, I know we have areas that superficially replicate China. But those areas don't pervade every section of society and nor are those areas immune to the laws that govern Australia nor do they implement the laws of China in those areas.

Thirdly, it was a poster here on eBay that said their school stopped celebrating the Christmas Concert. Not sure if they work for Murdoch. And even though I was writing Muslims, I was hoping that it was evident that I meant any immigrating group. Also, I didn't say that those things were happening or werent happening. I was saying, this is how I think things should go when discussing how adaption should occur with Rock.

[bushies.girl]

[punch*drunk]

Thirdly, it was a poster here on eBay that said their school stopped celebrating the Christmas Concert.

We once had a kinder committee member insist that we stop doing our usual christmas concert which was a nativity play with the kids dressed as Australian native animals. She was outvoted.

[muppet_detector]

Martini, you live in a community where there is a strong Muslim presence, I don't. I have never seen someone wearing a burqa, but have seen a fair few where the face is visible.

But I ask you, in your community, if a person wearing a niqab approached a child and stole them, or committed some other crime, how would an onlooker identify or p[rovide a description of that operson for the authorities? Are you confident that you could definitively say that the person in the niqab was an innocent Muslim going about their daily business and not someone posing as a Muslim, someone l;ike Denis Ferguson, with the intent to avoid identification in order to commit some nefarious activity,

If you saw a person dressed in Niqab collect a child from school and then that child disappeared, could you definitively say that the person who collected the child was their parent, and thus something happened to the child after they were collected separate from their parent, as opposed to it being denis ferguson collecting that child. Would you be able to recognize that that person wasn't the parent and perhaps intervene even?