Should the Burqa be banned in Australia

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Should the Burqa and Niqab be banned in Australia?

 

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@xxpelxx wrote:

I think the whole point is for migrants to obey by the law of the land regardless of their religious habits and believes.

It has nothing to do with persecution.

 

Before I came to Australia, my father told me firmly; "You are going to a strange land, you will have to learn the language, the customs and the laws and abide by them. Don't expect a whole country to change to accomodate your ways. You will have to change if you want to fit in and make it your new home."

 

If I would migrate to Saudi Arabia (for instance) and use my international Drivers Liscence to drive a car, I would be arrested and thrown in jail, because it is illegal for a woman to drive a car in that country. This is only one comparison, there are hundreds more of harsh laws that have to be obeyed by locals and strangers alike. No leniencies for ignorant tourists either.

 

Nobody forces people to remain in Australia if they don't like our laws.

 

Erica


Erica, of course people living in Australia have to obey our laws as do people living in any country. If anyone is going against what Australia stands for it is those that are trying to force Muslim women who choose to wear a niqab or burqa not to, 

 

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/hreoca-religious-freedom

 

The Religion Declaration prohibits unintentional and intentional acts of discrimination and defines discrimination in article 3 as: 

Any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on religion or belief and having as its purpose or as its effect nullification or impairment of the recognition, enjoyment or exercise of human rights and fundamental freedoms on an equal basis.

 

Article 6 of the Religion Declaration stipulates that the religious community's joint or shared expression of its beliefs is protected equally with the individual's right and protects manifestation of religion or belief including, but not limited to,

 

  • worshipping and assembling, and maintaining places for this purpose
  • establishing and maintaining charitable or humanitarian institutions
  • practising religious rites and customs
  • writing and disseminating religious publications
  • teaching of religion and belief
  • soliciting voluntary financial support
  • training and appointment of religions leaders in accordance with the requirements and standards of the religion or belief
  • observing religious holidays and ceremonies
  • communicating with individuals and communities on matters of religion and belief.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I think I might have "maskaphobia" Smiley Frustrated

 

Only it's that I just feel a profound sense of depression when I see women wearing burqas or niqabs., because it reminds me of the proclaimed inferior status of women in Islam. It's something which affects me profoundly and causes me distress.

 

Can't help it; that's how I feel.  Also, it's a bit depressing to me that some Muslim women in Australia have not yet absorbed one  of our most important cultural beliefs . . the belief in the equality of the sexes.

 

Maybe in time, eh?

 

Someone above said that we should respect others' cultural and religious beliefs. . . Well, I cannot do that if that culture or religion contains ideas which I find repugnant and insulting. Sorry.

 

 

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I am just wondering way any one would take pork all the way to Saudi Arabia, bit off, must really like pork 🙂

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I took some bacon to Pakistan.   Smiley Wink

 

And Vegemite.

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@lionrose.7 wrote:

I am just wondering way any one would take pork all the way to Saudi Arabia, bit off, must really like pork 🙂


not to mention the fact that you wouldn't be taking it from here by plane, maybe they plan on walking there or riding a pig.

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@boris1gary wrote:

@xxpelxx wrote:

I think the whole point is.........

 

Erica


Erica, of course people living in Australia have to obey our laws as do people living in any country. If anyone is going against what Australia stands for it is those that are trying to force Muslim women who choose to wear a niqab or burqa not to, 

 

https://www.humanrights.gov.au/publications/hreoca-religious-freedom

 

The Religion Declaration prohibits unintentional and intentional acts of discrimination and defines discrimination in article 3 as: 

Any distinction, exclusion, restriction or preference based on religion or belief and having as its purpose or as its effect nullification or impairment of the recognition, enjoyment or exercise of human rights and fundamental freedoms on an equal basis.

 

Article 6 of the Religion Declaration stipulates that the religious community's joint or shared expression of its beliefs is protected equally with the individual's right and protects manifestation of religion or belief including, but not limited to,

 

  • worshipping and assembling, and maintaining places for this purpose
  • establishing and maintaining charitable or humanitarian institutions
  • practising religious rites and customs
  • writing and disseminating religious publications
  • teaching of religion and belief
  • soliciting voluntary financial support
  • training and appointment of religions leaders in accordance with the requirements and standards of the religion or belief
  • observing religious holidays and ceremonies
  • communicating with individuals and communities on matters of religion and belief.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


So if I owned a business could I refuse to employ muslims on religious grounds? Could I claim that our religion >name here< forbids our adherents from having anything to do with muslims or baptists at a professional and social level?

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

I think I might have "maskaphobia" Smiley Frustrated

 

Only it's that I just feel a profound sense of depression when I see women wearing burqas or niqabs., because it reminds me of the proclaimed inferior status of women in Islam. It's something which affects me profoundly and causes me distress.

 

Can't help it; that's how I feel.  Also, it's a bit depressing to me that some Muslim women in Australia have not yet absorbed one  of our most important cultural beliefs . . the belief in the equality of the sexes.

 

Maybe in time, eh?

 

Someone above said that we should respect others' cultural and religious beliefs. . . Well, I cannot do that if that culture or religion contains ideas which I find repugnant and insulting. Sorry.

 

 


iapetusrocks, you are putting your own meaning on the wearing of a burqa or niqab

 

*Note: This pamphlet will refer to both the niqab and burqa simply as the burqa for the remaining sections.


An Established Practice


There is no doubt that both the burqa and niqab have an Islamic basis, and that both have been commonly practised and
recognised by Muslims throughout history. Islamic texts make it very clear that the hijab is compulsory for Muslim women to
observe. Consequently, Islamic scholars have agreed that both the burqa and niqab are part of Islam, but have differed as to whether they are also compulsory or optional acts of virtue. This explains why some Muslim women wear the hijab, while others decide to wear the niqab or burqa.


Common Allegations


‘It is oppressive’


Muslim women who choose to wear the burqa do so out of their own free will, believing it is an act of worship and a form of
liberation from the objectifi cation of women in modern society. In fact, preventing Muslim women from practising their religion is what is truly oppressive. “Niqab is a very liberating and empowering experience. It allows me to realise my goals by having a career and going to school without worrying about the prying eyes of men. It forces people not to judge me based on my appearance, but on my thoughts and character.” Ms. Flavia, 22, USA.


‘It is backwards’ ‘


The burqa is not part of a short-lived fashion trend. It is a religious garment and act of worship which is not subject to time and therefore, does not become outdated. In fact, the burqa is gaining much popularity in modern societies, especially amongst Western convert women. “My body is my business, and I shouldn’t have to defend what I wear to anyone. The burqa is part of my religion, and the fact that I choose to wear it does not make me any less human.” Ms. Yasmin, 21, Aus.


‘It is intimidating’


While the burqa may appear intimidating to some people, it is not worn with the intention of being threatening or frightening. People are often intimidated by what they have no knowledge of, and the burqa is a piece of clothing which should not warrant fearful reaction. Underneath the burqa is a person simply trying to practise their religion. It is interesting to note that other forms of dress and appearance are no longer considered intimidating, as they have become accepted by the wider community. Tattoos, extremely short dresses, revealing clothes, body piercing and outlandish hairstyles are all examples of this phenomena.


‘It is a form of male domination’


Wearing the burqa does not in any way suggest that women are inferior to men. Claiming that the burqa is a symbol of male domination goes against the fact that many women voluntarily wear the burqa, even though some have no male relatives, or wear it against their male relatives’ wishes.


‘It is anti-social’

There is nothing in the burqa that prevents a woman from interacting with other members of society, or from participating in the community. In fact, neither the hijab nor the burqa are required when among women only.


‘It stops women from contributing to society


Wearing a burqa does not stop a woman from contributing to society or from pursuing higher education. There are many women who wear the burqa and are very highly educated, or lead very successful careers. Every woman who wears a burqa is a unique individual, and it is unfair and inaccurate to make a sweeping judgement about all such women based on one item of clothing they have in common.


From the very advent of Islam, Aisha, the wife of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), was and still is renowned as one of the greatest Islamic scholars to have ever lived. The fact that she wore the burqa did not, in any way, hinder her from becoming such a prominent scholar or from teaching the men and women of her society.


And from another pamphlet:

 

The Hijab is Dignity


The Hijab promotes a woman’s femininity rather than suppressing it, and grants women dignity and self-respect for who they are, as opposed to being judged by superficial standards, such as appearance. This grants women the power to shape their own dignity via more meaningful standards, such as righteousness, knowledge and societal contribution, rather than having a consumer society dictate their worth through material means, such as how they look or how much money they earn. In the sight of God, men and women do not have to be identical in order to be equal, and this is reflected in the different roles and responsibilities which apply to each.

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Well boris, you believe that if you want to. I cannot.

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Boushra Almutawakel - a Yemeni photographer

 

 

Photo: "I am not ashamed of myself any more" by Artist Boushra Almutawakel from Yemen.

 

 

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A difference of only 11% in that poll shows a pretty divided country IMO
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