The Death Penalty, as a deterrent

[poddster]

The Death Penalty, as a deterrent.

As there seems to be widely differing views on this subject it may be an idea to discuss it here instead of in the other thread involving real people..

Are you in favour of the Death Penalty or do you oppose it.

If you are in favour , in which circumstances should it be imposed.

If you are not in favour, are there any exceptions to your opposition?

[siggie-reported-by-alarmists]

The amount they had....... could of destroyed the life of thousands.

Without their heroin, 113 people still died from heroin overdose in Australia in 2005.

What might have that figure been if they were not caught......113 real people died, because of this illegal trade.

[j*oono]

Your question doesn't really make sense to me.  Are you saying that we should not condemn them for stoning their wife to death in their own country?

Of course we should.  It's not ok and I don't accept their law.  Some are even stoned for adultary when in fact they were raped.   I don't accept the death penalty for drug crimes in Bali either.

[bluecat*dancing]

Was it Ghandi who said," an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" ?

If a murderer is executed, then who is the killer?

[not aimed at you joono.]

[icyfroth]

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@j*oono wrote:

Your question doesn't really make sense to me.  Are you saying that we should not condemn them for stoning their wife to death in their own country?

Of course we should.  It's not ok and I don't accept their law.  Some are even stoned for adultary when in fact they were raped.   I don't accept the death penalty for drug crimes in Bali either.

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My understanding of Greenie's question was:

While , for instance, stoning to death as punishment for adultery is acceptable in some countries, would we accept it if people did that here because it is their law?

Would we not expect them to abide by our laws?

In other words, would Indonesia not expect Australians to abide by their laws, and not try to escape punishment for criminal  activity in Indonesia, by citing Australian citizenship and as Australia doesn't have capital punishment they shouldn't be executed?

[creative*crisis]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@j*oono wrote:

Your question doesn't really make sense to me.  Are you saying that we should not condemn them for stoning their wife to death in their own country?

Of course we should.  It's not ok and I don't accept their law.  Some are even stoned for adultary when in fact they were raped.   I don't accept the death penalty for drug crimes in Bali either.

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My understanding of Greenie's question was:

While , for instance, stoning to death as punishment for adultery is acceptable in some countries, would we accept it if people did that here because it is their law?

Would we not expect them to abide by our laws?

In other words, would Indonesia not expect Australians to abide by their laws, and not try to escape punishment for criminal  activity in Indonesia, by citing Australian citizenship and as Australia doesn't have capital punishment they shouldn't be executed?

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I think that's the logic that is used and as far as it goes it is logical but the question legally sanctioned death penalties has now , because it is both final and extreme has now become a moral issue in many minds.

One that transcends borders, cultures, religions and politics. A humanitarian issue.

BTW I'm not trying to reply for the poster that was directed at it's just my feelings about it.

[siggie-reported-by-alarmists]

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@2106greencat wrote:

Not to anyone in particular...

My humble view......and again only if guilt is proven beyond all doubt.

You take a life for anything other than self defence...........you pay with your life.

These guys did not take any lives, however, the krap they tried to smuggle into Australia would have, and not only one!

The law of land is the law decided by that land......

So here is something to think about.....

In some countries it is acceptable as a punishment to stone a woman to death for adultory.......now, if that someone and his wife were

visitors to Australia, and the man stoned his wife to death, would we accept that as their way, or would we impose our punishment for murder?

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   I think you have been very clear...... no need for interpretation here....lol.

   And yes, we would impose our punishment for murder.

[siggie-reported-by-alarmists]

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@bluecat*dancing wrote:

Was it Ghandi who said," an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" ?

If a murderer is executed, then who is the killer?

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    The murderer is the killer...... the other is the executioner.

[katymatey*]

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@joz*garage wrote:

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@katymatey* wrote:

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@joz*garage wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

Under any circumstances?  If one states they are against the death penalty, then they are against it. End.of.story.

I have always been against the death penalty, this thread won't make any difference, may not even read it again.

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i bet some could put forth scenarios that would change your mind

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I am thinking of a local couple, teenagers who were abducted and murdered. The young lad was tied to a tree and then shot. The girl (16) was raped and then shot. The offender went free for a very long time. He was the rapist  known as Mr. Stinky

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an example of where a death penality should apply

what do you think katy?

he has past covictions too [how dare he?!, i believe if the death penality was enforced a percentage would not 'dare' to commit horrendous crimes and think twice

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I don't really know Joe, but I do know he was totally evil. He is also known for another crime (series thereof) as the Donvale rapist. He would never have stopped if he had not been caught. He was active for at least 25 years.