The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

[icyfroth]

Reposted from Facebook with permission from Steffen Pederson.

"The fact is, Climate change is real! Nobody can argue against that fact. Nobody actually does!

So what's the debate?

'Climate Change Deniers', as alarmists like to call us, are people that believe the climate is what it is. It has changed for 100's of millions of years, it will change for 100's of millions more!

'Climate Change Alarmists' as us deniers like to call them, are people that believe Man is the reason the climate is changing. Man has caused it, Man can stop it!

This is my Rant so this will be based solely on my view and opinion from what I have learned or at least think I have learned.

To me, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong!

Man currently pumps untold amounts of emissions into the air, untold amounts of pollution into our land/air and sea's, and does untold damage through mining, deforestation, urbanisation etc etc.

Whether this affects the climate or not is actually irrelevant. We MUST STOP! We MUST find better ways to fulfil our energy needs and we must find better ways to house and feed our growing populations. We must reduce this man made damage because even the simplest of minds can recognise it cant be good for us. Also, we must make things sustainable. Some of these things take time so time is what we will take.

Again, this in my opinion has nothing to do with climate change but if I am wrong, it's a win win situation. We will not be hurt by changing these things.

Creating a Tax to reduce these things and allowing governments to put this tax back into their general revenue is NOT, and never will be the answer.

If governments were serious in their beliefs of man made climate change and the imminent dangers they believe it imposes, they would simply legislate to reduce and or stop these things.

They do not! Infact, by government logic, the more emissions generated, the more money they make. It is a futile exercise about feeling good. They can look the people in the eye and say 'see, we are doing something about climate change' but the fact is they are not.

The problem is, The climate IS changing. Every dollar we waste trying to stop it, will be a dollar we will not have to spend on the actual damage climate change will cause. Small nations will suffer, sea levels will rise, draughts will be the norm in some places, flooding will be the norm in others. We will not be prepared.

While the battle goes on about who was right and who was wrong, people will die. I believe we can actually learn to live with these changes and relocate and or adapt accordingly. todays cities will be tomorrows farmlands, todays farmlands will be tomorrows cities.

We do need to impose a tarrif of sorts on man.

Not a carbon tax that hits some people here or there or makes business suffer but a small levy that each and every one of us should be prepared to pay.

It is our world. This money should be put into an international climate fund that should be used as the climate changes more and more.

The truth is, we don't know which way the world will change so is hard to plan ahead. This money would be needed more as reactionary measure. western nations could and should be preparing for what we believe will happen through future planning anyway so this money would not be needed by those that can prepare for it themselves.

There are,  however many nations that do not stand a chance against whatever climate change brings. This is where this money will be needed. If the climate doesn't change dramatically for many years, this fund would grow to great proportions. We can help those that cannot help themselves.

I don't know all the answers to this but going on our current path of taxing emissions and putting the taxes into general revenue for me is NOT the answer. we are being played for suckers. My post is not trying to say I have the answers, it is trying to change the current climate debate questions. I have no doubt there are many other who have great ideas about how an ever changing world can be adapted to suit our wants and needs. We are a resilient lot."

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I so agree with this post.

Yes, Earth's climate is in natural constant change. We know that.

Human industrial activity is causing a dramatic impact earth's climate and we need to sort what we need to take from earth to sustain ourselves (and there's plenty to go round)  from what is just being gobbled up by insatiable and rapacious profiteers.

 

[i-need-a-martini]

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@icyfroth wrote:

Here's something you omitted, Martini re the desal plant:

Sydney's privatised desalination plant, which is costing residents more than $500,000 a day to keep on standby, will not be needed for at least another four or five years.

The sale of the plant last year to a private company for $2.3 billion means residents are locked into paying about $10 billion in fees for the next 50 years, whether the plant is operating or not.

Not one drop of water has come out of the Kurnell facility since it stopped operating more than a year ago.

Entire Article Here

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You don't build a desal plant (or any other infrastructure) for short term. So we don't need it for another 2-3 years because the dams are full but then they will be operational again once we hit the next drought patch.

The fact is that Sydney (as does most of the state and the country) need other ways of getting water when drought hits. In the meantime, the desal plant sits idle. That's what they do.

And as I mentioned earlier, desal plants are not the ideal (and as Flannery says, they should be a last resort) but they are the only option Australians are prepared to accept as an alternative water solution. It is also the most expensive option.

It was always going to be a cost passed onto residents (that's why we pay that extra amount in our waterbills) and would have been paid regardless of the sale as the plant still needs to be operational even when not in use. However the longterm cost would have been much lower for the state if O'Farrell hadn't decided to privatise it. That is NSWs loss sadly.

[icyfroth]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

Here's something you omitted, Martini re the desal plant:

Sydney's privatised desalination plant, which is costing residents more than $500,000 a day to keep on standby, will not be needed for at least another four or five years.

The sale of the plant last year to a private company for $2.3 billion means residents are locked into paying about $10 billion in fees for the next 50 years, whether the plant is operating or not.

Not one drop of water has come out of the Kurnell facility since it stopped operating more than a year ago.

Entire Article Here

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You don't build a desal plant (or any other infrastructure) for short term. So we don't need it for another 2-3 years because the dams are full but then they will be operational again once we hit the next drought patch.

The fact is that Sydney (as does most of the state and the country) need other ways of getting water when drought hits. In the meantime, the desal plant sits idle. That's what they do.

And as I mentioned earlier, desal plants are not the ideal (and as Flannery says, they should be a last resort) but they are the only option Australians are prepared to accept as an alternative water solution. It is also the most expensive option.

It was always going to be a cost passed onto residents (that's why we pay that extra amount in our waterbills) and would have been paid regardless of the sale as the plant still needs to be operational even when not in use. However the longterm cost would have been much lower for the state if O'Farrell hadn't decided to privatise it. That is NSWs loss sadly.

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Meantime, while we're paying out such huge sums for a facility that's been mothballed, we have no facility to capture excess rainwater. We let it run out to sea, so in times of future drought, we can haul it in and desalinate it at great expense.

How loopy is that?

[ladydeburg]

And yet the warmists ignore this FACT a FACT that NSW taxpayers are going to be shafted for the next 50 years thanks to Labor and Tim Flannery.

  The warmists are mostly leftists because Rudd made it his platform to get elected in 07, Rudd politicized this out of all proportion and it was his ultimate downfall.

No matter what sensible science is presented to leftists they are blinded by their bias. They prefer to cling to Flannery and his junk science parroted straight from the fraudulent and totally discredited English Climate change body

[debra9275]

I've never forgotten how awful it was last time we had a drought and had hardly any water.

I for one will be glad that we have a desal plant standing by for when we need it. I hated having to get up at 6 am to water my garden on the designated days that I was allowed to.

the desal plant was expensive and we are paying for it through our water bills, but we also ultimately end up paying for roads and all infrastructure in one way or another

[debra9275]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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@am*3 wrote:

Who is Steffen Pedersen?

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You have a wonderful talent for sniffing out the immaterial, Am.

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You must know who he is icy. I didn't start a thread quoting him.

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He's just a regular poster on facebook Am. I don't know him anymore than I know you. What I do know is that I find his opinion relevant and interesting enough to repost here for discussion.

You may wish to discuss it or not, that is your prerogative.

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OK thanks I just wondered if it was an official report or not your as  OP states  official daily rant 

[myoclon1cjerk]

Wondering why the desal plant is costing the N.S.W taxpayer so much? Why,it's sound economic management by the Libs,who sold it off.

THE state government has freed up $300 million for vital infrastructure by selling Sydney's desalination plant.
A buyer is willing to pay $2.3 billion for the Kurnell plant but, because $2 billion is still owing from its construction, the net proceeds will be just $300 million.
The Coalition had promised to lease out the plant but the conditions of the sale yesterday mean that after the 50-year lease is complete, the private buyer will receive full ownership of the plant.
The government will argue that, although it is not getting much cash, the sale will also free up the balance sheet so NSW can borrow another $2 billion without risking its AAA credit rating.
The former Labor government had criticised the proposed sale, arguing that because there was so much debt in the project, Treasurer Mike Baird would receive little in net proceeds.

[serendipityricho]

Been lots of posts about the NSW de sal plant.

What about the one Vic tax payers have inherited.

Wonthaggi -South Gippsland--------what a a ongoing waste of money...........Richo.

[ladydeburg]

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@serendipityricho wrote:

Been lots of posts about the NSW de sal plant.

What about the one Vic tax payers have inherited.

Wonthaggi -South Gippsland--------what a a ongoing waste of money...........Richo.

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Not to forget how the unions blackmailed the govt for more and higher wages, OHWS went into overdrive to gouge more money and impose crippling workpractices, unions workers went on go slow for years so the money would pour into their pockets.

The criminal practices of the unions on that project staggers the mind and yet Victorians voted in another Lab govt, Hope they get what they voted for because the unions sure are.

[serendipityricho]

Yep-dont think it has ever been used.

Knew about a dozen blokes that worked there.

There is a connection to town water so any visiting dignitories can do a ...taste test.....Richo.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@poddster wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

I think you'll find that when I offer an opinion here  on any matter requiring expert knowledge I am usually very careful to include a  link to a credible source.

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Like Tim Flannary fot instance?

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I have never quoted or posted a link to a quote by Tim flannery.