on 02-05-2015 08:26 AM
Reposted from Facebook with permission from Steffen Pederson.
"The fact is, Climate change is real! Nobody can argue against that fact. Nobody actually does!
So what's the debate?
'Climate Change Deniers', as alarmists like to call us, are people that believe the climate is what it is. It has changed for 100's of millions of years, it will change for 100's of millions more!
'Climate Change Alarmists' as us deniers like to call them, are people that believe Man is the reason the climate is changing. Man has caused it, Man can stop it!
This is my Rant so this will be based solely on my view and opinion from what I have learned or at least think I have learned.
To me, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong!
Man currently pumps untold amounts of emissions into the air, untold amounts of pollution into our land/air and sea's, and does untold damage through mining, deforestation, urbanisation etc etc.
Whether this affects the climate or not is actually irrelevant. We MUST STOP! We MUST find better ways to fulfil our energy needs and we must find better ways to house and feed our growing populations. We must reduce this man made damage because even the simplest of minds can recognise it cant be good for us. Also, we must make things sustainable. Some of these things take time so time is what we will take.
Again, this in my opinion has nothing to do with climate change but if I am wrong, it's a win win situation. We will not be hurt by changing these things.
Creating a Tax to reduce these things and allowing governments to put this tax back into their general revenue is NOT, and never will be the answer.
If governments were serious in their beliefs of man made climate change and the imminent dangers they believe it imposes, they would simply legislate to reduce and or stop these things.
They do not! Infact, by government logic, the more emissions generated, the more money they make. It is a futile exercise about feeling good. They can look the people in the eye and say 'see, we are doing something about climate change' but the fact is they are not.
The problem is, The climate IS changing. Every dollar we waste trying to stop it, will be a dollar we will not have to spend on the actual damage climate change will cause. Small nations will suffer, sea levels will rise, draughts will be the norm in some places, flooding will be the norm in others. We will not be prepared.
While the battle goes on about who was right and who was wrong, people will die. I believe we can actually learn to live with these changes and relocate and or adapt accordingly. todays cities will be tomorrows farmlands, todays farmlands will be tomorrows cities.
We do need to impose a tarrif of sorts on man.
Not a carbon tax that hits some people here or there or makes business suffer but a small levy that each and every one of us should be prepared to pay.
It is our world. This money should be put into an international climate fund that should be used as the climate changes more and more.
The truth is, we don't know which way the world will change so is hard to plan ahead. This money would be needed more as reactionary measure. western nations could and should be preparing for what we believe will happen through future planning anyway so this money would not be needed by those that can prepare for it themselves.
There are, however many nations that do not stand a chance against whatever climate change brings. This is where this money will be needed. If the climate doesn't change dramatically for many years, this fund would grow to great proportions. We can help those that cannot help themselves.
I don't know all the answers to this but going on our current path of taxing emissions and putting the taxes into general revenue for me is NOT the answer. we are being played for suckers. My post is not trying to say I have the answers, it is trying to change the current climate debate questions. I have no doubt there are many other who have great ideas about how an ever changing world can be adapted to suit our wants and needs. We are a resilient lot."
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I so agree with this post.
Yes, Earth's climate is in natural constant change. We know that.
Human industrial activity is causing a dramatic impact earth's climate and we need to sort what we need to take from earth to sustain ourselves (and there's plenty to go round) from what is just being gobbled up by insatiable and rapacious profiteers.
05-05-2015 02:18 PM - edited 05-05-2015 02:20 PM
on 05-05-2015 02:23 PM
@ladydeburg wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:More statistics from warmists who most have been discredited and the others are too scared to go against the machine of "Global Warming" as we see by the name calling and outright hatred and hysteria it engenders.
And presumably you can produce reliable evidence to show exactly which of the 4000 authors whose papers have been surveyed have been discredited, how many of them are proven hysteria mongers, how many are haters and how many have admitted to simply being too scared to go against their peers.
After all, you couldn't possibly be shooting your mouth off without bothering to do the necessary research, - could you?
No warming for 18 years? so putting that information out there is ignored by the warmists and I'm accused of "shooting your mouth off" I find that antagonistic and hostile.
This type of hostile response is normal from warmists who are desperate to shut down any dissent.
Uh oh. Bold text and now in red. Looks like hysteria's set in again, there, She-el. Time for a blood-pressure test?
on 05-05-2015 02:48 PM
Perhaps one of the above Al Gore Chill Pills might be in order 🙂
on 05-05-2015 03:47 PM
For those who 'refuse to believe'.
There's a whole series about climate change by this You Tuber...and he makes a lot of sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52KLGqDSAjo
But feel free to continue to disbelieve if you wish - when the icecaps have melted, oceanic currents no longer circulate, and life is dying out, feel free to look me up and admit you were wrong!
on 05-05-2015 04:20 PM
I don't know about "Global Warming". I'm on the fence about that.
What I do believe, truly, madly, deeply, believe, is that human activity i.e deforestation, destruction of geological formations from mining, pollution, industrial emissions, are accelerating climate change and creating freak weather conditions.
on 05-05-2015 04:25 PM
@icyfroth wrote:
@ladydeburg wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:More statistics from warmists who most have been discredited and the others are too scared to go against the machine of "Global Warming" as we see by the name calling and outright hatred and hysteria it engenders.
And presumably you can produce reliable evidence to show exactly which of the 4000 authors whose papers have been surveyed have been discredited, how many of them are proven hysteria mongers, how many are haters and how many have admitted to simply being too scared to go against their peers.
After all, you couldn't possibly be shooting your mouth off without bothering to do the necessary research, - could you?
No warming for 18 years? so putting that information out there is ignored by the warmists and I'm accused of "shooting your mouth off" I find that antagonistic and hostile.
This type of hostile response is normal from warmists who are desperate to shut down any dissent.
Uh oh. Bold text and now in red. Looks like hysteria's set in again, there, She-el. Time for a blood-pressure test?
The bold red text came from ladydeberg, not She_el.
on 05-05-2015 04:30 PM
Yes, and it deserved to be bold and red because of the hostility.
on 05-05-2015 04:30 PM
@j*oono wrote:
@icyfroth wrote:
@ladydeburg wrote:
@the_great_she_elephant wrote:More statistics from warmists who most have been discredited and the others are too scared to go against the machine of "Global Warming" as we see by the name calling and outright hatred and hysteria it engenders.
And presumably you can produce reliable evidence to show exactly which of the 4000 authors whose papers have been surveyed have been discredited, how many of them are proven hysteria mongers, how many are haters and how many have admitted to simply being too scared to go against their peers.
After all, you couldn't possibly be shooting your mouth off without bothering to do the necessary research, - could you?
No warming for 18 years? so putting that information out there is ignored by the warmists and I'm accused of "shooting your mouth off" I find that antagonistic and hostile.
This type of hostile response is normal from warmists who are desperate to shut down any dissent.
Uh oh. Bold text and now in red. Looks like hysteria's set in again, there, She-el. Time for a blood-pressure test?
The bold red text came from ladydeberg, not She_el.
Thank you for bringing that to my attention, Joono.
Apologies to She-el.
on 05-05-2015 05:40 PM
@icyfroth wrote:I don't know about "Global Warming". I'm on the fence about that.
What I do believe, truly, madly, deeply, believe, is that human activity i.e deforestation, destruction of geological formations from mining, pollution, industrial emissions, are accelerating climate change and creating freak weather conditions.
You'll get no argument about that from me. There are others, however...
on 05-05-2015 06:24 PM