The Official Daily Rant (on Climate Change)

[icyfroth]

Reposted from Facebook with permission from Steffen Pederson.

"The fact is, Climate change is real! Nobody can argue against that fact. Nobody actually does!

So what's the debate?

'Climate Change Deniers', as alarmists like to call us, are people that believe the climate is what it is. It has changed for 100's of millions of years, it will change for 100's of millions more!

'Climate Change Alarmists' as us deniers like to call them, are people that believe Man is the reason the climate is changing. Man has caused it, Man can stop it!

This is my Rant so this will be based solely on my view and opinion from what I have learned or at least think I have learned.

To me, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong!

Man currently pumps untold amounts of emissions into the air, untold amounts of pollution into our land/air and sea's, and does untold damage through mining, deforestation, urbanisation etc etc.

Whether this affects the climate or not is actually irrelevant. We MUST STOP! We MUST find better ways to fulfil our energy needs and we must find better ways to house and feed our growing populations. We must reduce this man made damage because even the simplest of minds can recognise it cant be good for us. Also, we must make things sustainable. Some of these things take time so time is what we will take.

Again, this in my opinion has nothing to do with climate change but if I am wrong, it's a win win situation. We will not be hurt by changing these things.

Creating a Tax to reduce these things and allowing governments to put this tax back into their general revenue is NOT, and never will be the answer.

If governments were serious in their beliefs of man made climate change and the imminent dangers they believe it imposes, they would simply legislate to reduce and or stop these things.

They do not! Infact, by government logic, the more emissions generated, the more money they make. It is a futile exercise about feeling good. They can look the people in the eye and say 'see, we are doing something about climate change' but the fact is they are not.

The problem is, The climate IS changing. Every dollar we waste trying to stop it, will be a dollar we will not have to spend on the actual damage climate change will cause. Small nations will suffer, sea levels will rise, draughts will be the norm in some places, flooding will be the norm in others. We will not be prepared.

While the battle goes on about who was right and who was wrong, people will die. I believe we can actually learn to live with these changes and relocate and or adapt accordingly. todays cities will be tomorrows farmlands, todays farmlands will be tomorrows cities.

We do need to impose a tarrif of sorts on man.

Not a carbon tax that hits some people here or there or makes business suffer but a small levy that each and every one of us should be prepared to pay.

It is our world. This money should be put into an international climate fund that should be used as the climate changes more and more.

The truth is, we don't know which way the world will change so is hard to plan ahead. This money would be needed more as reactionary measure. western nations could and should be preparing for what we believe will happen through future planning anyway so this money would not be needed by those that can prepare for it themselves.

There are,  however many nations that do not stand a chance against whatever climate change brings. This is where this money will be needed. If the climate doesn't change dramatically for many years, this fund would grow to great proportions. We can help those that cannot help themselves.

I don't know all the answers to this but going on our current path of taxing emissions and putting the taxes into general revenue for me is NOT the answer. we are being played for suckers. My post is not trying to say I have the answers, it is trying to change the current climate debate questions. I have no doubt there are many other who have great ideas about how an ever changing world can be adapted to suit our wants and needs. We are a resilient lot."

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I so agree with this post.

Yes, Earth's climate is in natural constant change. We know that.

Human industrial activity is causing a dramatic impact earth's climate and we need to sort what we need to take from earth to sustain ourselves (and there's plenty to go round)  from what is just being gobbled up by insatiable and rapacious profiteers.

 

[the_great_she_elephant]

Not to forget how the unions blackmailed the govt for more and higher wages, OHWS went into overdrive to gouge more money and impose crippling workpractices, unions workers went on go slow for years so the money would pour into their pockets.

The criminal practices of the unions on that project staggers the mind and yet Victorians voted in another Lab govt, Hope they get what they voted for because the unions sure are.

Are you offering this as proof that climate change is not occurring, or is it merely an off-topic rant

[ladydeburg]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Not to forget how the unions blackmailed the govt for more and higher wages, OHWS went into overdrive to gouge more money and impose crippling workpractices, unions workers went on go slow for years so the money would pour into their pockets.

The criminal practices of the unions on that project staggers the mind and yet Victorians voted in another Lab govt, Hope they get what they voted for because the unions sure are.

Are you offering this as proof that climate change is not occurring, or is it merely an off-topic rant

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This type of behaviour has been mentioned on the Use words Wisely thread and how certain members flame a topic to disrupt.

[the_great_she_elephant]

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@ladydeburg wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Not to forget how the unions blackmailed the govt for more and higher wages, OHWS went into overdrive to gouge more money and impose crippling workpractices, unions workers went on go slow for years so the money would pour into their pockets.

The criminal practices of the unions on that project staggers the mind and yet Victorians voted in another Lab govt, Hope they get what they voted for because the unions sure are.

Are you offering this as proof that climate change is not occurring, or is it merely an off-topic rant

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This type of behaviour has been mentioned on the Use words Wisely thread and how certain members flame a topic to disrupt.

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Is that what you were doing? I thought maybe you just got sidetracked.

[icyfroth]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

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@ladydeburg wrote:

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

Not to forget how the unions blackmailed the govt for more and higher wages, OHWS went into overdrive to gouge more money and impose crippling workpractices, unions workers went on go slow for years so the money would pour into their pockets.

The criminal practices of the unions on that project staggers the mind and yet Victorians voted in another Lab govt, Hope they get what they voted for because the unions sure are.

Are you offering this as proof that climate change is not occurring, or is it merely an off-topic rant

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This type of behaviour has been mentioned on the Use words Wisely thread and how certain members flame a topic to disrupt.

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Is that what you were doing? I thought maybe you just got sidetracked.

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Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right

[poddster]

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@icyfroth wrote:

Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right

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Except for poddy, like an obelisk he stands firm,  unmoved by all the flying brown stuff 🙂

[i-need-a-martini]

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@icyfroth wrote:

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Meantime, while we're paying out such huge sums for a facility that's been mothballed, we have no facility to capture excess rainwater. We let it run out to sea, so in times of future drought, we can haul it in and desalinate it at great expense.

How loopy is that?

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So what would you like to do? Bulldoze a suburb (or 5) and build a dam? And how many dams do we need to build to tide us through longer and longer periods of drought? And more dams bring their own ecologic and environmental disasters.

As I keep saying, desal is the last resort but it is the only solution Australians are prepared to accept. 

The logical solution is to recycle effluent waste as this is a commodity that is never ending. But it has never been a viable or successful option in this country. But I suspect that in 50-60 years time when it becomes obvious that this is the inevitable solution and the technology has caught up, we will all be saying "Can you believe they didn't do this earlier?".

[i-need-a-martini]

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@ladydeburg wrote:

And yet the warmists ignore this FACT a FACT that NSW taxpayers are going to be shafted for the next 50 years thanks to Labor and Tim Flannery.

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Please explain how NSW taxpayers are being shafted by Labor.

And please explain exactly what role Flannery played in the construction of the desal plant at Kurnell?

And while you are at it please explain the short term and long term financial implications that NSW taxpayers faced when the desalination plant, an asset, was sold by the Liberal Government? 

[i-need-a-martini]

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@ladydeburg wrote:

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@serendipityricho wrote:

Been lots of posts about the NSW de sal plant.

What about the one Vic tax payers have inherited.

Wonthaggi -South Gippsland--------what a a ongoing waste of money...........Richo.

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Not to forget how the unions blackmailed the govt for more and higher wages, OHWS went into overdrive to gouge more money and impose crippling workpractices, unions workers went on go slow for years so the money would pour into their pockets.

The criminal practices of the unions on that project staggers the mind and yet Victorians voted in another Lab govt, Hope they get what they voted for because the unions sure are.

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I think you need to revist what you know of this plant.

The problem here was not higher wages for unions (where did that even come from???) but the government allowing overseas companies and a banking giant with a big corporate legal team to create a consortium for the construction. Do you seriously think that a consortium like this would care about the importance of water to a state? I think the government (and it was that Labor dud Brumby) have a lot to answer for here.

[icyfroth]

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@poddster wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right

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Except for poddy, like an obelisk he stands firm,  unmoved by all the flying brown stuff 🙂

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@ @ Poddy

[icyfroth]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@icyfroth wrote:

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Meantime, while we're paying out such huge sums for a facility that's been mothballed, we have no facility to capture excess rainwater. We let it run out to sea, so in times of future drought, we can haul it in and desalinate it at great expense.

How loopy is that?

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So what would you like to do? Bulldoze a suburb (or 5) and build a dam? And how many dams do we need to build to tide us through longer and longer periods of drought? And more dams bring their own ecologic and environmental disasters.

As I keep saying, desal is the last resort but it is the only solution Australians are prepared to accept. 

The logical solution is to recycle effluent waste as this is a commodity that is never ending. But it has never been a viable or successful option in this country. But I suspect that in 50-60 years time when it becomes obvious that this is the inevitable solution and the technology has caught up, we will all be saying "Can you believe they didn't do this earlier?".

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And where would we store the water reclaimed from effluent?