The Shroud of Turin

[*crikey*mate*]

I am part way through reading a fiction book featuring The Shroud, and it has sparked my curiosity.

What do you know?

What do you think?

Me? I want to believe that it is real, but I'm not convinced one way or the other just yet, but I am interested in discussing it with anyone else interested in doing so.

 For something of such historical significance to truly exist would be amazing.

[azureline**]

yes we know, it's call faith.

Not true Bob...... nothing at all to do with faith in  anything.(except science maybe)

[azureline**]

scientific comparisons have been made of the bloodstains on the Sudarium with those on the Shroud of Turin. Tests have shown that the man whose face the Sudarium covered, like the man of the Shroud, had a beard, moustache and long hair tied up at the nape of his neck into a pigtail. Since there were no signs of breathing he must already have been dead.

The stains show a series of wounds produced in life by some sharp objects, such as thorns.

[*crikey*mate*]

6th cent.

First reports of an image of Christ found in the city walls of Edessa, Turkey.

I can't see anywhere in the timeline or anything else I have read when it was first said to be Jesus.

when you say "in the wall", do you mean a physical item or the image appearing on the bricks kinda thing?

[azureline**]

The Shroud itself.

[azureline**]

Timeline of the Shroud of Turin

6th cent.

First reports of an image of Christ found in the city walls of Edessa, Turkey.

944

The Image of Edessa was transferred to Constantinople. Gregory Referendarius, archdeacon of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople, made a sermon about the shroud in which he mentioned it was a full-length image and carried bloodstains.

[*crikey*mate*]

How did it get from Christ's Tomb to where it is stored today?

Nobody knows.

What makes people think that it is THIS cloth that not only wrapped The Jesus Christ, but even came from that era at all?

Because of the types of wounds and because the tests that have been conducted to determine the age.

yes, but it would be kind of cool to trace it from what we do know, eh? Like where it first turned up and was consequently stored and then moved over the years for differing reasons.

In my very limited research, I thought that the cloth had only been dated to somewhere in about 1300AD? is there anything to support it is even a possibility it came from 33AD?

Before anyone can determnine to whom it belonged, surely we have to determine from when it came?

[*crikey*mate*]

Timeline of the Shroud of Turin

6th cent.

First reports of an image of Christ found in the city walls of Edessa, Turkey.

944

The Image of Edessa was transferred to Constantinople. Gregory Referendarius, archdeacon of Hagia Sophia in Constantinople, made a sermon about the shroud in which he mentioned it was a full-length image and carried bloodstains.

cool! and at that time in history, was there any advantage to someone releasing this information?

what I mean is, was this at a time when there may have been motivation to release false information?

[the_bob_delusion]

Not true Bob...... nothing at all to do with faith in  anything.(except science maybe)

OK, this is interesting. If you don't believe in evidence or faith, what other reasons is there for belief?

[azureline**]

cool! and at that time in history, was there any advantage to someone releasing this information?

what I mean is, was this at a time when there may have been motivation to release false information?

You would not think so would you? unless people are much like people today. (or they decided to plan a hoax to last until well into the future.)

[azureline**]

Bob, I think you are misrepresenting what my post was about.