The Shroud of Turin

[*crikey*mate*]

I am part way through reading a fiction book featuring The Shroud, and it has sparked my curiosity.

What do you know?

What do you think?

Me? I want to believe that it is real, but I'm not convinced one way or the other just yet, but I am interested in discussing it with anyone else interested in doing so.

 For something of such historical significance to truly exist would be amazing.

[darksideofthemoon]

I read once, years ago, that the Shroud isn't a "fake" but it's not Jesus. A cloth was wrapped around a, possibly still breathing, Knights Templar Grand Master called de Molay who had been crucified in Europe as a form of ironic punishment. The incredible heat and sweat from the man's body caused the imprint.

I said that further back cat... nice to see you have seen it too 🙂

[the_great_she_elephant]

The problem I have with the image having been imprinted on a cloth wrapped around a body, is that surely when the cloth was unwrapped and laid out flat the image of the face would also show the sides of the face including the ears. it would make for a very odd image.

[*crikey*mate*]

ao what ia the history? when was it found - ie has someone always claimed to have it since 33AD or did it "come "out of the closet" at some later date?

I've read that it has been housed and moved a few times over the years - some fire somewhere meant it had to be rehomed...

Something else that really intrigues me is all the burial tombs etc inside churches etc like westmisnster abbey - does anyone else find that kinda creepy?

and does anyone know if St Peter's tomb is really underground? not on show like so many others?

[**meep**]

It is recorded that he was burned at the stake in Wikki, but from a history of the Knights, I have read a very clear description of his death and it wasn't at the stake.  In that book it was contemplated that the shroud of Turin could have been his and the marks indicating the type of death the man suffered could well have been his.  This could well be so if the shroud dates are later than that of Jesus

Just another interesting thing that has been put forward.

I think you will find that he was tortured in similar way to a crucifixion but that was not the cause of his death. 

[azureline**]

The length of the hair and also the bodily fluids may change that? it does show the side wound?

[azureline**]

that was for she ele's post.

I have been to the Vatican and yes, it is underground.

Westminster Abbey.... I thought it was creepy till I went 🙂 I didn't like walking over them though.

[**meep**]

ao what ia the history? when was it found - ie has someone always claimed to have it since 33AD or did it "come "out of the closet" at some later date?

I've read that it has been housed and moved a few times over the years - some fire somewhere meant it had to be rehomed...

I'm not sure how far back the Shroud of Turin (undisputed) Timeline goes...

[azureline**]

and does anyone know if St Peter's tomb is really underground? not on show like so many others?

The reason it is underground is because the building was done around it, by the Emporer Constantine, I think?. There is no 100% proof that St Peter is buried there, rather we get to decide for ourselves if it is him.

[the_great_she_elephant]

I think there is only evidence for it back to the 14th century.

Intriguingly there is also an apocryphal story of a woman (St Veronica) who wiped the face of Jesus while he was carrying his cross, and later discovered the image of his face imprinted on it. this is what wikipaedia says about her:

There is no reference to the story of St Veronica and her veil in the canonical Gospels.She is known as the woman who wiped Jesus' face with her veil.Then the image of Jesus' face ...apocryphal "Acts of Pilate". The story was later elaborated in the 11th century by adding that Christ gave her a...Tiberius. The linking of this with the bearing of the cross in the Passion, and the miraculous appea...[8]

[*crikey*mate*]

Man wrote the Bible and edited it/decided what was to be included based on the values and beliefs of the time it was correlated (by those who were deciding what the current valkuesd and beliefs of that era should be) - hundreds of years after the events it describes occurred.

We were presented with 4 books (Matthew Mark, Luke and John) yet there were 12 recognized deciples and 34 submissions for inclusion.