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davidc4430 · ‎05-01-2020

US Jews learn to shoot guns as anti-Semitic violence continues to rise

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-01-05/us-america-jewish-community-anti-semitic-attacks-hanukkah/118...

its a worry when religous 'peace' loving people decide to take up arms.

i fully expect stories of innocent people getting murdered because they looked 'suspicious'

i follow a youtuber from the USA called 'furry potato' who is whats called a 'first amendment auditor'

its a small movement trying to test the ability to use the american citizens rights under their constitution by going out and filming govt and other entities from public view.

as enshrined in the US consitiution under 'free press'

she is a transgender former marine so she has had her fair share of bigotry in her life.

she has many youtube videos showing herself getting attacked and even shot!

because she was filming from a sidewalk!! and someone didnt like it.

domino-710 · ‎10-01-2020

There are permits - to own - carry - conceal.

LOL - big help for most - it has to be kept in the safe - etc.

Break in - hello - need to get to the safe - Left 3 - Right 6 - Left 7 - Right 9 - Right 3.

Find ammo - load - fire.

By this time the threat is half way to Michigan.

Anonymous · ‎10-01-2020

@imastawka wrote:
Two words

Justine Damond

I don't understand the implication. Someone getting shot and killed by a ridiculously inept / cowardly / corrupt cop is a different scenario from random criminal violence.

Yes, the availability of guns in this country is certainly a factor, to say the least. But, believe it or not, there are people in the US who choose not to have anything to do with them. Now, I think if one lives in a high crime area, they may feel they need a gun for protection. Protection against CRIMINALS. The guys who shouldn't have guns, but will have a gun no matter what the laws say.

And why do the criminals do what they do? Here's something from the American Psychological Association about who may be likely to use a firearm to commit a violent act (red bolding mine):

Antecedents to Gun Violence: Developmental Issues

A complex and variable constellation of risk and protective factors makes persons more or less likely to use a firearm against themselves or others. For this reason, there is no single profile that can reliably predict who will use a gun in a violent act. Instead, gun violence is associated with a confluence of individual, family, school, peer, community, and sociocultural risk factors that interact over time during childhood and adolescence. Although many youths desist in aggressive and antisocial behavior during late adolescence, others are disproportionately at risk for becoming involved in or otherwise affected by gun violence. The most consistent and powerful predictor of future violence is a history of violent behavior. Prevention efforts guided by research on developmental risk can reduce the likelihood that firearms will be introduced into community and family conflicts or criminal activity. Prevention efforts can also reduce the relatively rare occasions when severe mental illness contributes to homicide or the more common circumstances when depression or other mental illness contributes to suicide. Reducing incidents of gun violence arising from criminal misconduct or suicide is an important goal of broader primary and secondary prevention and intervention strategies. Such strategies must also attend to redirecting developmental antecedents and larger sociocultural processes that contribute to gun violence and gun-related deaths.

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The article goes on to say that raising emotionally healthy children is key to preventing gun violence. Parents need to be involved with their children, teaching them to respect life. If your dad's a gang-banger, you most likely will be one, too. Lather, rinse, repeat.

https://www.apa.org/pubs/info/reports/gun-violence-prevention

Anonymous · ‎10-01-2020

@bidicus*maximus wrote:
LOL @ vampires, etc. You are obviously convinced that you couldn't possibly be wrong. Rather pointless for me to continue, I'd say...

I wish I knew what the world was thinking....

Anonymous · ‎10-01-2020

@domino-710 wrote:
There are permits - to own - carry - conceal.

LOL - big help for most - it has to be kept in the safe - etc.

Break in - hello - need to get to the safe - Left 3 - Right 6 - Left 7 - Right 9 - Right 3.

Find ammo - load - fire.

By this time the threat is half way to Michigan.

There are safes you can open in about 1.5 seconds. Much faster than putting in a 911 call and waiting for the cops to show.

https://www.pewpewtactical.com/best-bedside-gun-safe-quick-access/

Anonymous · ‎11-01-2020

My friends report that on the whole, they found the people very friendly and they never had any trouble on their trips.

THAT is very good to hear, thank you for saying so. We have posters on the soapbox who say they are always assumed to be 'ugly Americans' when they travel abroad.

bidicus*maximus · ‎11-01-2020

@go-tazz wrote:
@bidicus*maximus wrote:
Not being a gun owner myself, I have no objections to reasonable requirements being put upon the acquisition and ownership of guns... and many others feel the same way. The problem is, nobody seems to be able to define "reasonable" in such a way that it is agreeable to everyone... and I doubt that they ever will. Mix in the fact that millions of guns already exist and will continue to be available to criminals through the black market in spite of any new laws that may be passed and... what's the point?

Perhaps our laws should focus on mandatory execution for gun violence?

A complicated problem with no simplistic answers.

The point is that it's not millions of guns that are available as you and most from the US seem to think,it's over

350 million guns are held by citizens of the United States and that's not just totally wrong that's deadly which has

been proven time and time again.

That is what no real gun control has achieved and the numbers will only ever go up and it's mainly through the

sale of guns to citizens that already have guns.

Want simple gun control then get rid of any automatic or semi automatic guns and make them illegal to own

and only allow each citizens two guns maximum and not the 5,10,20 plus stores that some have been able to

build up.

Guns for protection in the cities are hand guns not semi automatic weapons or repeating rifles.

So, 350 million guns... as if the exact number makes much difference... one owner usually only fires one at a time.

I believe that taking away somone's legally acquired gun collection would be as wrong as taking away their legally acquired knife, coin or stamp collection.

New laws based on the wishful thinking that 350 million guns will just go away seems silly when we could instead focus on laws to punish and/or deter those who might wrongfully use their guns.

What really has me baffled, however, is this... Why on Earth are people who don't live in the US so concerned about our laws? I couldn't care less about your laws, and wouldn't presume to tell you how you should live.

domino-710 · ‎11-01-2020

I know a couple of 4 year olds who are very capable opening a drawer.

Mounted high in a closet - yep - that works when woken...............................

Mountable: I make sure that the safe is small enough to be mounted high the closet or nightstand drawer so it’s harder to access for small children and won’t just walk away with someone.

And only a button - that is what I call a - Safe.

springyzone · ‎11-01-2020

@bidicus*maximus wrote:
Not being a gun owner myself, I have no objections to reasonable requirements being put upon the acquisition and ownership of guns... and many others feel the same way. The problem is, nobody seems to be able to define "reasonable" in such a way that it is agreeable to everyone... and I doubt that they ever will. Mix in the fact that millions of guns already exist and will continue to be available to criminals through the black market in spite of any new laws that may be passed and... what's the point?

Perhaps our laws should focus on mandatory execution for gun violence?

A complicated problem with no simplistic answers.

I agree that your Texan friend was, perhaps, a bit over the top... God rest him...

I think we have to accept that serious criminals anywhere will find ways to break the law.

That's the case here too. An ex student at a school I taught at was in the news a while back for something like 300 convictions, one of them a home invasion and another was for holding a gun to a driver's head and threatening to kill the driver (in the middle of the city of Melbourne, I might add!!) and then taking the car.

Personally, if I had my way, he'd be deported on the next plane, but we all know how soft our laws can be. What I'd like to know is how a man of 19 managed to get hold of that gun in the first place, but I suppose if you move in bad circles, you come up against drugs and guns etc. It seems to be the way of the world.

But.. where you say no one can agree on what are reasonable measures when it comes to gun ownership. You are so right.

There is no such thing, ever, as 100% agreement on anything or any law.

But I don't think that that has to stop us making laws.

Politicians are in power to represent their electorate and it is up to them to put in place what they think is a majority opinion.

They will never be able to please everyone.

But if they go with the majority, on the whole majority opinion will rule through sheer numbers.

So I think it would be perfectly possible for US to perhaps tighten regulations around guns or introduce tougher laws re punishment. No, they would not impact on current ownership but over time, they would make a difference. It would probably take a generation or two.

I know that might seem impossible, but if you look back in history, it is only maybe 60 years ago that it would have seemed impossible that a woman or a black person could be PM or pres, or that gay people could marry etc. Popular opinion is like a giant ship, it takes a long time to turn, but turn it can.

the_great_she_elephant · ‎11-01-2020

Just a thought - are there any statistics to show how many of those citizens who bought guns for 'self protection' were later killed or injured by their own weapons?

bidicus*maximus · ‎11-01-2020

Since people buy guns for various reasons not necessarily disclosed, I'm not sure that such statistics would be available. I assume that the curious could do a web search and possibly come up with some sort of answer.

It is my belief that any adult person who would own a gun should give their purchase careful and serious thought, so that they are not only educated in it's use, but also aware of the risks and dangers involved to themselves and others.

How many are injured by improper use of chainsaws? Automobiles? Lawnmowers? Etc.?

I'd blame the fool, not the tool.