Uluru 30th anniversary

[bluecat*dancing]

Congratulations to the Anangu people, who had Uluru handed back to them thirty years ago, today. A day worth celebrating.

[azureline**]

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@opmania wrote:

Maybe you might like to have 

A rethink here about what you

Say how you say it and who 

You say it to because I am not

Going to let a remark like you 

Made about whites go unchallenged

Quite frankly I've had enough of 

It 

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She ele is white.......................even her hair is white....well, almost

[the_great_she_elephant]

OK I'll withdraw the word white and substiute Western or European - and I would be very happy for you to challenge me. 

My argument is that generally speaking,people who have grown up in a western culture take it for granted that it is the only civilised way to live and that other cultures who have had this way of life imposed upon them should be grateful for it.

I have also argued that the only real benefit of western civiisation to the human race has been the  advancement of medicine which has alleviated a great deal of pain and suffering. Any other benefits  - literacy, technology etc -  are only useful  in a literate, technological (I.e. western) culture. A hunter gatherer society has no need for them and can thrive quite happily without them - as aboriginal society did for 50,000 years.

Unfortunately culture is like evolution - it cannot go back to square one and start again, only 'improve' on what is already there. And  it  human beings are programmed to be inventive. So once a society has been 'civilised' it cannot go back to square one and work on improving  it's hunter gatherer skills, it is caught in the rat race of the culture that has been imposed on it. It may make that society more competitive, more sophisticated and more 'civilised, but whether it makes it contented  is debatable.

[lloydslights]

No need to work hard other than finding/catching what was readily available to eat.  

Travelled light and on foot.  

A couple of "tools" and musical instruments fashioned from nature's supply.  

Corroborees to honour Dream Time.

Inter tribe and intra tribe feuds.(http://austhrutime.com/feud_and_warfare.htm)

[lloydslights]

Testing.....it appears  the previous link given is having problems.  Try this. http://austhrutime.com/australian_aboriginal_tribes.htm

[the_great_she_elephant]

It all sounds remarkably familiar - except this bit. Fighting between tribes was not unknown, but in no case could this fighting be caused by, or lead to, the taking over of the territory of one tribe by another. Neither side would consider that situation

[ecar3483]

I'd love to go there with a group of the local tribal elders, and walk around the rock, and have them explain the legends of the place, as we go.

Have them point out the places that I can't go, because I'm not a tribal initiate, or in those circumstances, a woman, for the places which are sacred to women, only.

I'd love to have them show me "The place", I'd love to experience it in that way.

Then it wouldn't be just a big red rock that changes colour in the afternoon light.

It would be a place with meaning.

[imastawka]

They have those tours, Ecar

[ecar3483]

The trouble is, as with travelling any real distance, is that I need to be able to get there, and back, in the space of a couple of hours.

Either that or find someone reliable enough to feed the animals.

You're right, some kind of matter transport/teleport would be easier to find.

[lloydslights]