Victory Day 2015

[poddster]

Victory Day Parade in Red Square Moscow ti commemorate the 70th anniversary of the defeat of Nazism.

The Patriotic War claimed 27 million Russian lives and the outcome of World War II would have been vastly different had in not been for the effort of Russia.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcFMuLr7TRs

[Anonymous]

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@poddster wrote:

I never took you to be one for being spoon fed. In the final analysis does it really matter?

Suffice to say that one article was written by a yank and one written by a Russian

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you obviously have a good reason for not

wanting to say who wrote the article you posted.

i googled while waiting for your answer and 

found the original article.  it was written by 

three different ppl (none of them a female)

so you obviously don't know.

In the final analysis does it really matter?

no

but 

if you're going to criticise someone for posting biased

articles then at least know who you are quoting.

[Anonymous]

I never took you to be one for being spoon fed.

you asked me for the link to my article.

i provided the link.

you criticised the author.

i asked you who wrote your article - 

then the silly guessing game began .

i'll leave you to it 

[li.vish]

Hi everyone, the discussion is getting a little heated.  Please be sure to keep your communications civil.  Thanks!

[ladydeburg]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

Putin has used the anniversary to whip up patriotism and fuel anti-Western sentiment, warning that fascism could be on the rise again and suggesting other countries are rewriting history to play down Moscow's role in winning the war.

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What I said from the beginning.

[the_great_she_elephant]

The POW camp my dad was in was liberated by the Red Army in April 1943.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalag_IV-B

He was shipped there  there from Italy in 1943 as the Allies were advancing through Italy from the south.

[shuveee]

The Patriotic War claimed 27 million Russian lives and the outcome of World War II would have been vastly different had in not been for the effort of Russia.

That IS a historical fact that HAS too often been glossed over by the west; particularly the United States.

It is also a fact that The Patriotic War claimed 7 million Ukrainian lives, and that Putin spits on their graves with his violation of their nation's independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity. And perhaps the greatest irony is that he does so (as he did in Georgia) using the very same pretext Hitler used to dismember Czechoslovakia.

70 World leaders were invited, 20 turned up. They did not want to be inveigled into any type of tacit agreement or support of the annexation of Crimea and the bald faced invasion of Ukraine and the shooting down of a civilian aircraft resulting in the deaths of innocents.

Exactly.

I applaud the leaders who snubbed him.

As do I.

[poddster]

You are mistaken, he acknowledged all of the allies and their contribution to the war effort.

You have also omitted to mention that there was a referendum in the Crimea and the vast majority voted to rejoin Russia.

It might be an idea to listen to both sides before making a judgment.

[shuveee]

You are mistaken, he acknowledged all of the allies and their contribution to the war effort.

Never said he didn't, although in reading the text of his speech he never mentioned Ukraine specifically. Perhaps doing so would have been too hypocritical even for him, considering that at present he's in the business of killing Ukrainians and taking their territory.

You have also omitted to mention that there was a referendum in the Crimea and the vast majority voted to rejoin Russia.

March 4 2014

Putin says those aren't Russian forces in Crimea

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/03/04/285653335/putin-says-those-arent-russian-forces-in-cr...

Referendum passes on March 16th

April 17 2014
Putin acknowledges Russian military servicemen were in Crimea (before, during and after the referendum)

http://rt.com/news/crimea-defense-russian-soldiers-108/

Wow, what do you know, Putin lied. How unusual

Mr. Putin is of course also lying to the mother's of Russian boys who are coming home from Ukraine in body bags, or simply "mysteriously" disappearing.
 
Even if the majority of Crimeans did favor rejoining Russia, you don't go about reunification by invading and occupying part of a sovereign nation's territory, lying through your teeth about having done so, holding a referendum at the point of a gun, then realistically expect the international community to recognize it as legitimate. Unless of course you're KGB Vladimir, the great shirtless megolomaniac.

 

[shuveee]

I have yet to see the West say anything favourable about any Soviet leader.

I will not hold my breath waiting for that moment

🙂

You obviously haven't seen much or any of Fox News from the United States.
Mr. Putin has a great many fan boys among conservatives in the United States. Ironically (or perhaps more correctly, pathologically) many of these very same conservatives have for decades preached that communism is the ultimate evil, while also insisting our current president is in fact an evil communist 🙂

Conservative Rudy Giuliani, who was the mayor of New York City on 9/11/2001, is one noteworthy Putin admirer, among many.

[sprinklespowerpuff]

Regardless of what is happening in Russia at this point I have great admiration for the ordinary Russian populace. Sure they are a hard people - they had to be over the centuries remembering they also had Napoleon before WW2 . The hardships they were willing to endure to rid their land of would-be conquerors is unimaginable by our standards but thay did whatever it took to drive them out. Relocating all their factories and machinery essential to the war effort to the Ural Mountains and the people leaving their towns and villages to work in the most extreme conditions says it all. This is a hard one for me and many others I know but the soldiers went as far as to train pet dogs to seek their food under the oncoming tanks of the Germans. The dogs were starved so when the tanks approached it was normal for them to do this. Strapped around the dogs were explosive charges which the Russian soldiers denonated when the dog was under the tank. Anything, anything was employed to give them an edge.