Voting (yes it's political)

[donnashuggy]

I'm curious to find out if people that voted at the last election for the LNP whether you care about the broken promises or whether you don't believe that they have broken any?

This baffles me.

[freakiness]

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@tall_bearded wrote:

That is not to say I’m closed minded.  Howard and Abbott have so challenged my perception as to what it means to be conservative, that he day may we’ll come when I change allegiances.  But in my mind Labor has a lot of growing up to do before I do that.

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From my observation they are more "grown up" than those opposite who race for the door so they're not on the same side of the room as another member, who poke out their tongue at the speaker, and who make changes out of spite instead of Australian's best interests.

The worse they did was dump Gillard in favour of Rudd before the election.  It's a shame we're such a sexist society that so many struggled to accept a woman as leader.

[daydream**believer]

i voted Liberal.

Like tall bearded, i do believe a debt exists. I dont believe Labor are very good at money management for this country and i do believe that had they got in again, the debt would of gotten bigger and bigger.

I do believe that some things did need to be cut.

But i think the Governemt has gone too far.

I also think that they have really screwed themselves over when they announce funding for new planes but cuts for hospitals, education, families etc.

Personally, my family will be loosing at least $1400 a year if all is approved from this budget. Thats not including extra costs at doctors, fuel and prescriptions.

We dont drink, or smoke so we will have to find some other "luxuries" to give up.

[donnashuggy]

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@daydream**believer wrote:

i voted Liberal.

Like tall bearded, i do believe a debt exists. I dont believe Labor are very good at money management for this country and i do believe that had they got in again, the debt would of gotten bigger and bigger.

I do believe that some things did need to be cut.

But i think the Governemt has gone too far.

I also think that they have really screwed themselves over when they announce funding for new planes but cuts for hospitals, education, families etc.

Personally, my family will be loosing at least $1400 a year if all is approved from this budget. Thats not including extra costs at doctors, fuel and prescriptions.

We dont drink, or smoke so we will have to find some other "luxuries" to give up.

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So which cuts do you agree with?

[daydream**believer]

nah, cant be bothered going through it all.

In full answer to the OP, yes, i do believe he broke promises, but, i believe every politician breaks promises. They all tell us what we want to hear inorder to get elected

[donnashuggy]

It only goes for 10 seconds, maybe someone else will come along and tell us 🙂

[tall_bearded]

When I said ‘when they grow up’ it was in the context of my previous posts – their ability to manage money. That is, who in their right mind puts a person in charge of a project worth hundreds of millions who’s only qualification for the job were that he was once a reasonably success rock singer and environmental activist.

As for what I would have cut, as per my posts on other related threads, nothing at this point.  Instead I would have conducted a comprehensive review of the tax system, identified the rorts and removed them.  Then, if that proved insufficient, I’d look at areas where further revenue can be raised, including an increase in the GST.  Then, if and when all avenues of increasing revenue have been exhausted, only at that point would I look at cuts to payments, starting with upper and middle income welfare.

[lakeland27]

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@tall_bearded wrote:

When I said ‘when they grow up’ it was in the context of my previous posts – their ability to manage money. That is, who in their right mind puts a person in charge of a project worth hundreds of millions who’s only qualification for the job were that he was once a reasonably success rock singer and environmental activist.

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 If you take a close Look the PM had no qualifications to make him a health minister. he was a 3rd rate opinion -piece writer . he'd done little else. Garrets job like any other minister doesn't require specialised knowledge oddly enough.. the relevant unelected public servants provide the know how. as rudd said ministers expect all of the relevant OH"S regulations to be adhered to and the people onsite to apply them.  personally, i wonder why the power wasn't turned off.. i'm fairly sure that's standard practice and recommended  in the safety guidelines.  my conclusion is that the people supervising these workers were negligent,  exposed wiring should not be worked around and with before turning the power off.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@daydream**believer wrote:

i voted Liberal.

Like tall bearded, i do believe a debt exists. I dont believe Labor are very good at money management for this country and i do believe that had they got in again, the debt would of gotten bigger and bigger.

I do believe that some things did need to be cut.

But i think the Governemt has gone too far.

I also think that they have really screwed themselves over when they announce funding for new planes but cuts for hospitals, education, families etc.

Personally, my family will be loosing at least $1400 a year if all is approved from this budget. Thats not including extra costs at doctors, fuel and prescriptions.

We dont drink, or smoke so we will have to find some other "luxuries" to give up.

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It's interesting that you say 'Labor not good at monmey management' yet abhor the cust to health, family and education.

Because everytime a Liberal government has come in, the cuts have ALWAYS been to health, family and education (as is the case again).

Then Labor comes in and reverses this trend by giving money to health, family and hospitals. And usually the services are so severely underfunded that a lot of money has to be put back into it. Gonski is a good example.

But then they are accused of fiscal mismanagement.

You see I can find very few examples where the last government 'wasted' money. True they spent big on infrustructure and services that were severely underfunded during Howards term. And they spent big during the GFC to ensure the economy didn't stall like it did in other countries where government kept the money invested only to find that the investments disappeared. But otherwise I can't understand what it means when people say 'Labor mismamanged our money'.

[i-need-a-martini]

But in response to your OP donna.

All my siblings voted Liberal. A few of my friends voted Liberal. One of my colleagues voted Liberal.

ALL of them started off defending vehemently the Abbott Government.

Since the budget, they have kept a humble and awkward silence. Personally I think it is because a Liberal voter has a specific mind set and would never backtrack on their beliefes even when those beliefs are shattered.

Whereas I think that generall most Labor voters do contemplate issues and will be vocal if they don't agree - policies on Asylum seekers is a good example.

[freakiness]

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@tall_bearded wrote:

When I said ‘when they grow up’ it was in the context of my previous posts – their ability to manage money. That is, who in their right mind puts a person in charge of a project worth hundreds of millions who’s only qualification for the job were that he was once a reasonably success rock singer and environmental activist.

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His time in a rock band has nothing to do with his time in politics except he had a public profile.

He worked in the environment movements for about 10 years, studied arts at ANU and Law at UNSW.  Hardly makes him unqualified.

This whole concept of Labor can't manage money is ludicrous.  They all take advice from treasury and the dept of finance.   That LNP fix the mess of Labor every time is nothing but slogans, very effective slogans but not based in fact.  Surplus and deficit is cyclical.  Sometimes we need debt.  Labor got the AAA rating not the LNP.