on 23-01-2014 03:32 PM
on 24-01-2014 09:41 AM
Why would i do that?
on 24-01-2014 09:54 AM
24-01-2014 09:56 AM - edited 24-01-2014 09:57 AM
@catsnknots wrote:I think the 24hr news media is to blame...
once upon a time the journo would hear some news or gossip and go and investigate it themselves... they would ask questions and get to the bottom of a story pretty much before it got onto the nightly news.
Now we have a 24 hr news cycle and as soon as there is an incling to a story it is posted up online and put on the ABC24 news station.
I have turned off the ABC24 station and have maybe watched it three or four times this year.... even news online is cheesing me off. same story no matter where you go.
That's a bit of spin to only cite ABC24 in your denunciation of the 24 hour news cycle (although I do actually agree with your point). CNN was the first international 24 hour news channel in about the early 80s, while Sky News (part of the Fox group) was the first in Australia in 1996. The ABC was a relative late comer, first broadcasting ABC24 in 2010.
[Edit: I forgot to quote.]
on 24-01-2014 10:01 AM
@boris1gary wrote:A lot of "maybe's" in your post catmad........maybe if anything you suggest is correct then "maybe" these personnel should think about a career change.
There's a lot of "I heards" and "I thinks" in other posts as well.
on 24-01-2014 10:12 AM
Warning - The words below come from The Guardian (not the UK one).
The price of opportunism
Reports have now surfaced that the Australian Navy fired shots into the air in order to force at least one asylum seeker boat to return to Indonesia. On January 19 it was also revealed that Navy personnel had been stripped of normal workplace safety protection and obligations. That is normally only done when the country is on a war footing.
That initiative removes the obligation of Navy personnel to defend themselves publicly against accusations of abusing asylum seekers. As General Hurley stated, Navy personnel would “not face individual criminal sanctions under the Act for giving effect to government policy.” It would also help minimise public scrutiny of the policy.
Secondly, although we’re obviously not at war, the Australian Navy may well find itself in military action as a result of border incursions. Last week the Indonesian government demanded an end to the turn-back policy and warned it intended to use a frigate to patrol its coastal waters.
Their anger is well justified. The “turn-back” initiatives actions followed hard on the heels of revelations that Australia spied on the Indonesian government, and even tapped the private phone calls of President Yudhoyono and his wife.
On receiving news of the lifeboat escapade Indonesian foreign minister Marty Natalegawa commented icily: “It’s one thing to turn back the actual boats on which they have been travelling, but another issue when they are transferred onto another boat and facilitated and told to go in that direction”.
The Abbott government’s implementation of its asylum seeker policies has been characterised by deception, lies, bullying, cowardice and recklessness. The worst aspects of the Howard government’s failed policies have now been replicated under the Abbott regime, together with a horribly augmented “Pacific solution”, cruel temporary visa arrangements, and a failure to process applications for asylum.
on 24-01-2014 10:15 AM
Yes Icy there are?
on 24-01-2014 10:17 AM
@boris1gary wrote:"maybe" these personnel should think about a career change.
I agree with this.
Our defence force chooses this career, no one forces them to enlist.
This is their job.
This is what they are paid to do.
Just like any job, they need to undertake their jobs with professionalism.
If they are "sick of putting their lives at risk" (which I do understand), then they need to find a new career.
If I have a job peeling potatoes and I become sick of doing that job, I find another job.
It is my opinion that we cannot excuse anybody for performing their job in a substandard manner, simply because they are "sick of it".
24-01-2014 10:30 AM - edited 24-01-2014 10:32 AM
From The Australian... from Dec 27?
Mr Ali claimed the passengers were deceived by Australian officers, who told them soon after boarding: "We have called the Australian government to send a boat to take you to Christmas Island." Unlike accounts from the other three known turnbacks, he does not allege harsh treatment.
At the initial contact, Mr Ali said the boat was boarded by 16 to 20 sailors armed with pistols.
After some shouting when the boat was boarded, he said, the asylum-seekers were treated "respectfully". He said the sailors did not unholster their sidearms and there was no rough handling or physical coercion, except for one incident on the return journey.
When they realised they were being returned, two males jumped overboard and were picked up by a tender from one of the navy vessels and "the sailors threw them back on to our boat".
on 24-01-2014 10:34 AM
From today
Yesterday, The Australian revealed that two of the asylum-seekers were already suffering burns when navy personnel intercepted the boat, possibly caused when they tried to either restart or disable the boat's engine. And Indonesian police yesterday appeared to back away from suggestions they were endorsing the claims, saying the only evidence had come from the asylum-seekers themselves.
Australia Defence Association executive director Neil James said the reports should have been treated in the media with more scepticism and critical judgment.
He said that for the claims to be true, it would have taken several Australian sailors to hold an asylum-seeker's limbs against a hot engine. If that had happened, the other asylum-seekers would certainly have intervened.
"Australian sailors just don't do that and if one of them had he'd have been dobbed in by the others," he said.
Mr James added that when the Australians arrived at the scene, the engine of the asylum-seeker boat was already cold.
on 24-01-2014 10:41 AM
part o' the evidence tendered, claimed that the naval personnel allegedly became agitated when their passengers requested to use the toilet.