What is worse?

[donnashuggy]

Those that overstay their visa that fly in (majority)

or

Those that arrive by boat.......with the possibily of seeking asylum (unlikely) and sent back.

I generally keep up with what is going on and don't understand the governments fixation with boats when the numbers are the clear minority.

[cherry*135]

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@spotweldersfriend wrote:
They work here donna,save their money and leave before their visa expires. They take what they save back home.Someone from say Estonia can get more than double working on a building site than they earn back home.Even though farm workers get less than $20 per hour, it's triple what they get in Taiwan.

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They aren't counted in the OP's overstayer count then.

It is good they can come here, legally, and earn more money than in the economically depressed countries they come from.

[donnashuggy]

Are you doubting that there are more illegals in Australia that flew in to Australia than there are that arrived on boats?

It's been widely reported for years, many articles that refer to the 60,000 mark and many of those are Anglo Saxon 🙂

But who am I to know, you can't believe everything you read 🙂

[cherry*135]

Years ago isn't relevant. Did you miss this point?  It has been mentioned many times in this thread already.

There are/were 20 000+ IMA's arriving in Australia in the last year or two compared to a few hundred in previous years?

Need to compare what is happening now, not years ago when a few hundred people arrived by boat.

I certainly don't believe everything, hardly anything I read in the newspaper, nor am I inclined to believe others unsubstantiated thoughts/claims on CS.  I do believe Govt statisitcs to be a credible source of information though.

According to the OP's stance a Govt shouldn't be concerned or bother taking action re 20 000+ and ever increasing numbers of boat people arriving on its shores.

[spotweldersfriend]

I'm talking about visitors without work permits,am*3

[spotweldersfriend]

Mind you,I'm not one for dobbing them in. I've got no time for lines on a map,identity papers etc.

[cherry*135]

But of the almost 20,000 people who remained in Australia last financial year illegally, a big number were holiday-makers who stayed in the country, sometimes inadvertently, just days over what their visa permitted.

The Australian, 2012

A big number ha!  Didn't they count them?

[lind9650]

I just read this article. It is very enlightening and explains why the asylum seekers destroy their passports, papers and even throw their iphones into the ocean once they see the Australian boat comming.

It is a long read, but well worth reading.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/17/magazine/the-impossible-refugee-boat-lift-to-christmas-island.html...

Erica

[cherry*135]

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@spotweldersfriend wrote:
I'm talking about visitors without work permits,am*3

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OK. Would they not be entitled to apply for a working visa, from those countries? 

As mentioned who would do that manual work if overseas workers didn't want to do it?  A big number of Fijians often come here for work too (on visas though?)

If people can get work here illegally says more about the employers than it does about the workers, imo. If they struggle to get Aust workers ..then what else can they do?

[donnashuggy]

Please don't change my words am3 🙂

Take some time to read what I am referring to

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-03-15/chinese-fly-into-australia-to-make-27dodgy27-asylum-claims/389...

and it is still happeing, you don't need to believe my views 🙂 nor do you need to believe what you read, I personally believe it is valid.

[cherry*135]

Wouldn't there be a big number of average Australian people/families without passports (they have no intention of traveling overseas) living in Australia? If they had to flee the country, today, next week, next month they would  be leaving without passports. We have no other form of 'papers' here either.