Who is more oppressed?

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http://www.refinery29.com/2015/11/97131/iranian-actress-hijab-instagram

 

 

the woman of Iran dont have a choice. Their choice was taken away from them in 1979

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEsCt2ua8Bg

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Are we talking about Australia or worldwide? Most young women I know don't feel either oppressed by or bullied into wearing bikinis and I suspect the very small number of Australian Muslims who wear the burqa don't feel oppressed by or bullied into wearing it either. The real question, in both cases, is:  has anybody actually bothered to ask them?

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Are we talking about Australia or worldwide?

 

 

the scenario presented in the op appears

to be taking place in a free society - so 

theoretically, none of the ladies (persons)

would be feeling oppressed ?

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In a free society, people should be able to make their own choices about what they want to wear.

 

The problem with the niqab is that it a dress form which comes highly recommended by the male followers of a certain religion.

 

Oh, don't get me wrong. The male members of that religion would never wear it themselves, it would cover up their macho beards.

 

No, that identity-concealing fashion of dress is only imposed on the women. Impostition need not be physical; it can be social, coming from the society and even from relatives and friends.  and it can also come from communty leaders or representatives of religion.

 

There is a certain pressure to conform, with certain penatlies to be paid for non-conformity, although here in Oz, we don't expect those penalties to be as drastic as they are in some other countries.

 

But sometimes we are shocked when they are.

 

 

I support freedom. freedom of expression and freedom of dress. I'm still having a little trouble supporting the right of any person to walk the street wearing a mask so I cannot see their face.

 

 

For those of you who support the right of people to do this, I'd ask you how you would feel if there were a religion which encouraged its male members to wear a mask in public and that the women were not encouraged to?

 

it's just an excercise in thinking about attitude.  Well, how would you feel?

 

 

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I'd ask you how you would feel if there were  any cultural  group in Australia which encouraged its male members to wear a mask in public and that the female members were not encouraged to?

 

 

 

 

 

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Those of you who support the right of people (you can't be sexist about this, can you?) to walk the streets while wering a mask, must support the right of every person to do this, even if they are a member of a bikie gang or a policeman or a politician.

 

Imagine being arrested by a person whose face you couldn't see on the orders of a politician whose face you couldn't see and sentenced by a judge or magistrate whose face you couldn't see.

 

How would you feel?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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@johcaschro wrote:

Those of you who support the right of people (you can't be sexist about this, can you?) to walk the streets while wering a mask, must support the right of every person to do this, even if they are a member of a bikie gang or a policeman or a politician.

 

Imagine being arrested by a person whose face you couldn't see on the orders of a politician whose face you couldn't see and sentenced by a judge or magistrate whose face you couldn't see.

 

How would you feel?

 

 

 

 


Great question.

 

 

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Neither or both , it all depends on if they wear what they wear out of choice or out obligation 

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@johcaschro wrote:

Those of you who support the right of people (you can't be sexist about this, can you?) to walk the streets while wering a mask, must support the right of every person to do this, even if they are a member of a bikie gang or a policeman or a politician.

 

Imagine being arrested by a person whose face you couldn't see on the orders of a politician whose face you couldn't see and sentenced by a judge or magistrate whose face you couldn't see.

 

How would you feel?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Do you seriously believe a Muslim woman who joined the police force would be permitted to walk the beat in a burqa?

 

come to think of it, I've never seen a policewoman - or a judge - wearing bikini either.

 

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