Why block Indian flights instead of USA flights ?

[dontmissthese]

Current figures:
USA 98k cases per million 1764 deaths per million.
India 13k cases per million 142 deaths per million.

[rogespeed]

Does that included the infected people ? Four at the moment ? Support / admin i think at this time - looks like we are going to find out first hand

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

thanks for coming back and answering . . . and your honesty.  There are some who are not open to having their posts scrutinised and questioned and choose to ignore legitimate questions about the content of their posts.

I heard on the news the other day, can’t remember which channel, someone in India being interviewed about the current situation in India and they said that the real number of cases is likely to be 10x the official recorded number.  That would put daily cases across the whole country at 3 to 4 million per day.  In a country of approx 1,391 million people that is still a lot of cases in a day.

[not_for_sale2025]

It seems the Australian cricketers in India are going to be flown to safer countries until our borders reopen to them. “The BCCI has been working on a range of options. That’s now narrowed down to the Maldives and Sri Lanka."  "Todd Greenberg, chief executive of the Australian Cricketers’ Association, said the reality is we’re going to try to keep them as safe as possible and if that’s available, I don’t think we should shy away from that.”

I'm not sure how to take this news! Is the health and safety of the cricketers more important than the other Australian citizens trapped in India? Or is the ACA more caring and competent than the Australian Federal Government?

[rogespeed]

For those wondering the merit of blocking the 9000, maybe observe what is happening in other countries whereby the Indian variant has breached defenses and is becoming established - maybe in less humid conditions is quite mild....  

[rogespeed]

Current highest-risk fascility is designed for 2% infection rate , the infection rate before border closure was 15% ...

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-05-07/india-covid-flights-can-howard-springs-handle-it/100123880

with infection cases dropping to 21 , the powers have decided to resume repatriation flights from India

Stay tuned

[4channel]

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@rogespeed wrote:

1% of the Indian population is now being infected daily - untimely related deaths take 2-3 weeks from first infection, 30% of hospital survivors suffer some psychotic events later - ongoing victims 

Is not something we want here

The triple mutation super spreader variant needs to be kept out of Australia so as to remain effectively covid free and so open to business , freedom of movement , normalised living except no international travel

We do not have the fascilities to deal with an influx of potentially infected of that nasty variant and we currently lack the desire to expand the NT Howard Springs facility - the only really credible national anti-covid quarantine facility  

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I'm in partial agreement with you. Just one part I want to concentrate on at this time is the nastiness of this variant. IMO the nastiness of something can be defined with how nasty it is or how nasty it can be when mishandled with incompetence or when it becomes political.

Anyway, lets have a look at the nastiness of it if it does come here. How much different is it from the one we already have, and how can it be treated efficiently.? Looking at something long term, hoping that a variant doesn't come here eventually would be like hoping that birds won't fly over a 90 foot high fence. It will be here. So what we need to do is look at proven early stage treatment that does work with excellent historical results. Forget all the politics, forget the $$$$$$ serving and forget the bull and for a change, do what is right!

Nearly all of the refugees that are languishing in centers  need to be put into our community and the facilities vacated can be used for a speedier return of Australian citizens in India.

A massive drive to promote health, good nutrition and well being is of huge importance as well.

[springyzone]

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@not_for_sale2025 wrote:

This was 6 days ago:

"On April 30, 2021, President Biden signed a Proclamation suspending the entry of certain nonimmigrant travelers who have been physically present in India, which will go into effect at 12:01 AM EDT on Tuesday, May 4. Immigrants, U.S. citizens, and lawful permanent residents (LPR) are not subject to the proclamation".

This was 4 days ago:

"Treasurer Josh Frydenberg says a travel ban preventing Australians returning from India is "drastic" but is "designed to keep Australians safe". "Changes to the Biosecurity Act mean Australians could face up to five years in jail and heavy fines if they flee the COVID-ravaged country to return home".

It is difficult, but it seems Biden has got the back of US citizens in India where as Morrison has turned his back on Australian citizens trapped in that country, and has threatened them with criminal convictions if they try to come home.

Not good.

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It's easy for Biden to have the back of US citizens in India. There have been more covid cases in USA than anywhere else, it has pretty well been allowed to rage through their communities with very few restrictions on travel and so on, so having people back from India is hardly going to make much difference.

On the other hand, Australia, after a hard struggle, is virtually free of the virus.

I read that authorities were concerned because something like 40% or travellers returning here from India were coming down with covid while in quarantine. That's an unbelievably high number. Even in that covid hotspot USA, only 10% of Americans have actually had it.

What I am wondering is this: Why are Australians being constantly told that we are being unreasonable or harsh? How come no one ever suggests that those demanding to return are being a bit selfish. They are quite prepared to see 26 million people put at risk just so they and a small handful of others can have their way.

Personally, I don't see why returning travellers should not be required to have had the vaccine before they are allowed in and even then, they should still need to quarantine. This may slow things up for returnees but if we have to make some sacrifices (and we certainly do, with snap lockdowns and restrictions possible at any time), then they unfortunately need to as well.

[imastawka]

Repatriation flight seats left empty after Australians test postive for COVID-19 in India (msn.com)

[springyzone]

Interesting article.

I was feeling disappointed for Sunny Joura who tested positive to covid and wasn't allowed on a return flight, till he said if he died, the Australian Government was responsible.

No, it is not. He is the one who travelled over to india last year. In May.

So let's look at that. All international tourists were urged to come back in March, we were well into lockdowns and restrictions by late March, but Sunny made the decision to go back to india in May, knowing the covid situation and surely realising the situation was fluid and circumstances could change. We had all seen covid take off suddenly months earlier in Italy and we had already been through the toilet paper panic, the stranded cruise passengers and so on.

This man made a decision to take a risk and go back to India and while I sympathise with people who want to visit a dying parent, they have to realise that they may be stuck wherever they are. Transport isn't what it was.

He wanted to go to India, he went, covid has taken off in India and he caught it, and somehow it is our fault?

It's about time these returnees were told the facts of life.

And I would put it this way: If the situation were reversed and covid was running rampant through Australia but was almost non existent in a lot of other countries, how keen would some of these returnees be to return? My guess is most would be trying to stay where they were.

[dontmissthese]

I was wondering why I hadn't received any email notifications for answers. Forgot to 'subscribe' 🙂

Yes, pulling current stats re: USA vs India was a mistake.
The only brightness on the horizon is the pending approval of virtually instant and accurate Covid tests.

Hopefully the false positives ( dead virus being detected by PCR swab testing ) may become a thing of the past although a false positive has been preferable to a false negative.

The longer a pandemic rages the more 'variants' will emerge as a result of mutations attempting to trick us. 
Fingers crossed that 'rapid' testing will help us put the virus in our dust trail.

On the 'trapped overseas' note.

I was in Malaysia when it was first locked down on 18th March 2020. When ScoMo said 'GET HOME NOW' and while I personal think he is a d#!k, that is exactly what I did. Thankfully I got back without having to pay for Business class flights and only had to go into 14 day home quarantine.