coronavirus vaccine, who should get it first?

when a coronavirus vaccine is available who should be first in line?

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@davewil1964 wrote:

The link provided went to a post on 22 November. It's not hard to check.

 

I doubt there would be more than one Glenn Floyd with similar positions.

 

Given you posted the link, why do you consider it false? The title might say 18 November, but the posted date is 22 November. And still only 280 people thought it worth viewing.


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@rogespeed wrote:

@davewil1964 wrote:

The link provided went to a post on 22 November. It's not hard to check.

 

I doubt there would be more than one Glenn Floyd with similar positions.

 

Given you posted the link, why do you consider it false? The title might say 18 November, but the posted date is 22 November. And still only 280 people thought it worth viewing.


The Health Ranger Report: The Health Ranger Report Daily News Update Nov. 18, 2020


Has a rather pessimistic take on the effectiveness of certain vaccines 

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@rogespeed wrote:

@rogespeed wrote:

@davewil1964 wrote:

The link provided went to a post on 22 November. It's not hard to check.

 

I doubt there would be more than one Glenn Floyd with similar positions.

 

Given you posted the link, why do you consider it false? The title might say 18 November, but the posted date is 22 November. And still only 280 people thought it worth viewing.


The Health Ranger Report: The Health Ranger Report Daily News Update Nov. 18, 2020


Has a rather pessimistic take on the effectiveness of certain vaccines 


True, but doesn't seem to have a wide following. Which probably reflects on his credibility. And the Youtube video was still posted on 22 November.

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@davewil1964 wrote:

Of the 284 views in 11 days, of which mine was one, and the fact that he couldn't even put his face to his theories, this was certainly my take out comment -

 

My name is Glenn Floyd

Of brains I am void.

I strut round like a hero

But I’m liked by zero.

My resurch is just YouTube lies

I’ll keep it up until I dies.

 

Which would indicate that he is not exactly known for objective commentary.


It's not about putting a face to a theory. The video clip is from Glenn Floyd's YouTube channel . Forget about dates, faces, views or whatever. That's immaterial! All that Floyd has done, he has taken a section from a Mike Adams Health Ranger Channel , taken a small section from the report and uploaded it to his channel. Nothing wrong in doing that.

 

There is no lessening of any credibility.

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@davewil1964 wrote:

@rogespeed wrote:

@rogespeed wrote:

@davewil1964 wrote:

The link provided went to a post on 22 November. It's not hard to check.

 

I doubt there would be more than one Glenn Floyd with similar positions.

 

Given you posted the link, why do you consider it false? The title might say 18 November, but the posted date is 22 November. And still only 280 people thought it worth viewing.


The Health Ranger Report: The Health Ranger Report Daily News Update Nov. 18, 2020


Has a rather pessimistic take on the effectiveness of certain vaccines 


True, but doesn't seem to have a wide following. Which probably reflects on his credibility. And the Youtube video was still posted on 22 November.


That youtube video was edited and uploaded by another person - hence the later date 

 

I suppose the looming English experence will determine whether his concerns are valid or not 

 

I know he is wrong about one aspect fo the vaccine in question that is once thawed the manufacturers claim can be refrigerated for 5 days

Why Moderna And Pfizer Vaccines Have Different Cold Storage Requirements : Shots - Health News : NPR

 


" Even that presents challenges, though — a Pfizer scientist 
told a CDC advisory council in August that it's not supposed to be opened more than twice a day and needs to be closed within one minute of opening. Once it's thawed, the vaccine can be refrigerated for five days"

 

Q. does " refrigerated " mean at -70 C  or after thawed stored at normal temp for vaccines ( i think -20 C ) ? 

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@4channel wrote:

@davewil1964 wrote:

Of the 284 views in 11 days, of which mine was one, and the fact that he couldn't even put his face to his theories, this was certainly my take out comment -

 

My name is Glenn Floyd

Of brains I am void.

I strut round like a hero

But I’m liked by zero.

My resurch is just YouTube lies

I’ll keep it up until I dies.

 

Which would indicate that he is not exactly known for objective commentary.


It's not about putting a face to a theory. The video clip is from Glenn Floyd's YouTube channel . Forget about dates, faces, views or whatever. That's immaterial! All that Floyd has done, he has taken a section from a Mike Adams Health Ranger Channel , taken a small section from the report and uploaded it to his channel. Nothing wrong in doing that.

 

There is no lessening of any credibility.


He made it youtube acceptable ..... 

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with 1000+ untimely coronavirus influenced deaths (UTCIDs) per hour - and possibly countless additional post-recovery chronic health issues -  in the States , with no hope of eradication , risks of a fast tracked vaccine will be justified 

 

I believe the big phama has been granted immunity from law suits in the event of unforseen side effects - Four influences  : Marketplace demand , Govt standards, manufacturers and company product liability insurance companies 

 

( I think in the USA most of the oldies have effective health insurance and so must be treated in hospital if critical - so can not be fobbed off - an upside of their user pays centric socio-economic system)

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@rogespeed wrote:

with 1000+ untimely coronavirus influenced deaths (UTCIDs) per hour - and possibly countless additional post-recovery chronic health issues -  in the States , with no hope of eradication , risks of a fast tracked vaccine will be justified 

 

I believe the big phama has been granted immunity from law suits in the event of unforseen side effects - Four influences  : Marketplace demand , Govt standards, manufacturers and company product liability insurance companies 

 

( I think in the USA most of the oldies have effective health insurance and so must be treated in hospital if critical - so can not be fobbed off - an upside of their user pays centric socio-economic system)


Well, whatever the amount of deaths there are (keep in mind the ABC article that said stats were inaccurate / Inflated), we need to look at why treatment is not being optimised and we're being pushed into the "one option" of having a vaccine.

 

Watching the clip by Professor of Medicine Dr Peter McCullough provided in the post below by you, (Better to watch here at NEWS.COM.AU ), he says that early treatment with hydroxychloroquine rather than having infected people isolated at home until they're sick is the way to go.

 


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@4channel wrote:
Well, best to look at promoting good health and well-being before considering a rush vaccine pushed out by a greed-driven Big Pharma.


for those that do not need immediate hospitalisation

 

‘Only a one in 17 billion chance hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work’: medical professor (msn.com)

 

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/coronavirus-vaccine-who-should-get-it-first/m-p/23...

 


 

Listening to what he said in the interview.

 

Dr Peter McCullough published the first guidance on early treatment for COVID 19, In the American Journal of Medicine, August 7th, 2020


He describes hydroxychloroquine as a drug that goes within the cell and reduces viral replication. It has been on the market for 65 years. Countries such as USA and Aust etc. have dismissed early home treatment.


Lives that could have been saved in Australia, he believes half he lives that were lost and up to 80 / 90% of hospitalisation could have been avoided.

 

India with its crowded cities is a country that uses hydroxychloroquine, their death toll per million is less than 100. In the USA per million is 800.

 


 

Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths per day compared to all causes U.S. 2020

 

As of December 1, 2020, an average of around 952 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. Based on the latest information, one in nine deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, stood at an average of almost 332 people

 

 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109281/covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-causes/

 


WIth regard to the above, the stats would be much different if the US followed India's example.

 

So with Big phama probably being granted immunity from law suits in the event of unforseen side effects, greed, corruption, rushed vaccine, the fact that an obvious effective early treatment is being ignored, incompetent leadership, stupidity in handling a situation and a vaccine being rushed out years before it should, I say that there is not much of a justification.

 

 

 

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@rogespeed wrote:

with 1000+ untimely coronavirus influenced deaths (UTCIDs) per hour - and possibly countless additional post-recovery chronic health issues -  in the States , with no hope of eradication , risks of a fast tracked vaccine will be justified 

 

I believe the big phama has been granted immunity from law suits in the event of unforseen side effects - Four influences  : Marketplace demand , Govt standards, manufacturers and company product liability insurance companies 

 

( I think in the USA most of the oldies have effective health insurance and so must be treated in hospital if critical - so can not be fobbed off - an upside of their user pays centric socio-economic system)


Well, whatever the amount of deaths there are (keep in mind the ABC article that said stats were inaccurate / Inflated), we need to look at why treatment is not being optimised and we're being pushed into the "one option" of having a vaccine.

 

Watching the clip by Professor of Medicine Dr Peter McCullough provided in the post below by you, (Better to watch here at NEWS.COM.AU ), he says that early treatment with hydroxychloroquine rather than having infected people isolated at home until they're sick is the way to go.

 


Re: coronavirus vaccine, who should get it first?

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Sunday

@rogespeed wrote:

@4channel wrote:
Well, best to look at promoting good health and well-being before considering a rush vaccine pushed out by a greed-driven Big Pharma.


for those that do not need immediate hospitalisation

 

‘Only a one in 17 billion chance hydroxychloroquine doesn’t work’: medical professor (msn.com)

 

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Community-Spirit/coronavirus-vaccine-who-should-get-it-first/m-p/23...

 


 

Listening to what he said in the interview.

 

Dr Peter McCullough published the first guidance on early treatment for COVID 19, In the American Journal of Medicine, August 7th, 2020


He describes hydroxychloroquine as a drug that goes within the cell and reduces viral replication. It has been on the market for 65 years. Countries such as USA and Aust etc. have dismissed early home treatment.


Lives that could have been saved in Australia, he believes half he lives that were lost and up to 80 / 90% of hospitalisation could have been avoided.

 

India with its crowded cities is a country that uses hydroxychloroquine, their death toll per million is less than 100. In the USA per million is 800.

 


 

Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths per day compared to all causes U.S. 2020

 

As of December 1, 2020, an average of around 952 people per day have died from COVID-19 in the U.S. since the first case was confirmed in the country on January 20th. On an average day, nearly 8,000 people die from all causes in the United States, based on data from 2019. Based on the latest information, one in nine deaths each day can be attributed to COVID-19 since January 20th. The daily death toll from seasonal flu, using preliminary maximum estimates from the 2019-2020 influenza season, stood at an average of almost 332 people

 

 https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109281/covid-19-daily-deaths-compared-to-all-causes/

 


WIth regard to the above, the stats would be much different if the US followed India's example.

 

So with Big phama probably being granted immunity from law suits in the event of unforseen side effects, greed, corruption, rushed vaccine, the fact that an obvious effective early treatment is being ignored, incompetent leadership, stupidity in handling a situation and a vaccine being rushed out years before it should, I say that there is not much of a justification.

 

 

 


I seem to recall the US downgraded one of their pandemic related departments some time ago for budgetary reasons.... but we skimped on bushfire mitigation with dire consequences and for the same reason.. so penny wise &..... is not restricted to the US   

 

The stats should also note total respiratory related deaths - covid is not the only killer and can be in combination with other disease and conditions - and compare with previous years for additional context in evaluating threat  - I think the poms are registering 80-100% untimely respiratory related deaths over average years 

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@rogespeed wrote:

@4channel wrote:

 

I hear what you say rogespeed. Well, It takes years for something to be tested properly.

 

 


 

FELONY FRAUD

 

 
 
 

1.49K subscribers

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHNSuVyepbg

 


Well, this could be a real cause for concern.

 

I think I'll take my chances with boosting health.


We the people of Australia can carefully observe results in the UK until March next year - and many have relatives accessable for back channel commentary. 

 

As for boosting health - what exactly makes certain people prone to dying ? I know one factor is viral loading - breathing in corona smog all day and being a little pudgy but are there other common factors such as a stagnant lymphatic system  ? 


Have you ever met anyone who isn't prone to dying? I'm pretty sure we all will at some point. and what exactly is"corona smog" ? That's a new phrase for me. 

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