@the_bob_delusion wrote:
@davidc4430 wrote:
i cant remember anyone on benefits saying the payment is too generous
i only hear it from people who have never actually been on it
maybe if everyone who hasnt had to live on a welfare payment was forced to live on one for say 1 year we might not hear the 'is it too generous' story getting draged out year after year.
now theres a social experiment id love to see
I wouldn't expect anyone on benefits to say the payment is too generous either even if they got an extra $500 a week.
The whole point of welfare is so people just have barely enough to survive and not to thrive. It's suppose to be tough. I have seen poverty first hand in some Asian countries. They don't have the government support like Australia. You don't work, you don't eat. Try living off $3 a day.
Some people on this forum may remembered me attempting to survive on $25 for food for a week as an experiment. I managed. I listed the food I ate and money spent.
You seem of an era or of a common business mentality or uninformed migrant whereby a myth is proclaimed that there is equitable opportunities for gainful employment , therefor those that want work can find work without disadvantage - conditions which maybe existed up to the 1970's - however now the system is clearly rigged for significant long term redundancy for a portion of the potential labour pool - part of a natural consideration of reality whereby a machine creates product but also wastage
Hence there are those whose status is considered unemployable - all part of the accepted system
( although lately there has been improved support for gaining vocational qualifications - however configured for middle Australia )
Therefor as the system has created for the benefit of majority this situation , it is reasonable that such people drawn into the class E economic morass be not only supported for mere baseline standard of life but be granted enough funding for a reasonable noble life , without cause to degenerate into physical and/or mental dysfunction ( relative to their view of the world ) nor feel justified in petty crime as a way of life .
This is the Australian fair go economic system
With enough funding their progeny may have a better chance to become vocationally successful and in need of only short term Job seeker support, as per your vision
ps- testing yourself spending $25 on food for one week is just academic - try 7 years at $25 per week food expenditure and evaluate how enthusiastic you are for dull manual job out in the sun
As for the Asian social-econimic system within democracies , takes into account attributes of their population and national economic resources and limitations , which is not always the same as for conditions here - so your comparison has little merit
