"It's Not Even a Debate"!

 

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has claimed the date of Australia Day should not be changed despite fierce debate over the issue in recent years.

 

Many Indigenous leaders have been pushing for the date of Australia Day to be moved from January 26, the date that marks the First Fleet landing in 1788 and the beginning of British colonisation.

 

A new survey released by the Institute of Public Affairs on Monday said despite the debate, 71 per cent of Australians were in favour of keeping the date as is.

 

The poll found the 71 per cent believe “Australia has a history to be proud of” and “Australia Day is an authentic way for Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians to celebrate being Australian”.

 

On Monday morning Sunrise breakfast show co-host Samantha Armytage grilled Mr Morrison over whether he agreed with the results of the poll or if he thought the date should be changed.

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/scott-morrison-shuts-down-sam-armytage-australia-day-question-015251182.ht...

 

Good on him!

 

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Both properties down by approx 1/3.....Its actually quite scary stuff.

 

Not scary enough to drop your support for an industry which contributes to global warming, such as does coal?



Please cut and paste the comments where I supported the coal industry.............Nope ?.... it aint there is it.

 

I,m simply being pragmatic instead of jumping on some populist Rah Rah bandwagon of emotional, unrealistic BS..

 

The simple reality ignored by many o this forum is that if Australia banned coal tomorrow it wouldn't make one single scrap of difference to global warming. Other countries would simply buy less pure , more polluting coal from other countries to run their electricity generation and heavy industry. Australians would continue to buy their OS made cars and white goods with all of the inbuilt production pollution achieving absolutely ZIP.

 

On the downside, banning coal in Australia would not result in a 16% lowering of our standard of living. That is just the direct loss of income from coal exports. The effect would be much greater as unemployment sky rockets, recession hits, home foreclosures go through the roof, retail crashes etc. You had better hope that internal smug, sanctimonious, left wing glow keeps you warm in the depths of winter, because no-one will be able to afford to turn the heating on. The Australian economy would make Greece look like a nation of kings.

 

And again it would all be for ZIP because the rest of the world ( making up 98.5 % of global pollution ) would simply go on its own merry way.

 

The only solution is to get the global giants such as Europe, China, U.S.A. and India to play by the same rules and good luck with that one. 

 

 

 

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It's not common sense; it's nonsense.

 

The 16% is just a made up number, represented as fact = duplicitous.

 

"Are the regular contributors to these forums who oppose coal mining willing to accept a 16% reduction in their wages / social security payments / standard of living plus a tripling of their electricity bill on top of the 16% reduced income in order to have coal mining and exports banned ?"

 

This is a false dichotomy.  

 

There is no reason to guess that any pension or wage  would reduce by this (fictional) 16%. There is no reason to guess that electricity bills would triple.

Cost of living might rise a little, but where is the evidence for it rising by 16%?

 

 

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We've already established that whilst coal accounts for 16% of our exports, it only accounts for 3 or 4% of GDP.

 

It seems to be a habit of political creatures to bend statistics when they don't have real arguments for a particular position.

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Alan Jones probably supports mining wherever it doesn't pollute agriculture or impact the environment. He comes out very strong in support of the farmers.
As to his comments to and about Ms Gillard and Ms Ardern, I thought them in poor taste, and not becoming of a respected broadcaster.
As to his sexuality, well, we wouldn't want to be seen as homophobic, now would we?

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So a minority of people don't agree it should changed and there's no debate?

 

A minority of people didn't agree with same sex marriage and there seems to be plenty of debate about that.

 

A significant majority of people think climate change is an existential issue, but there are those that want to deny debate that.

 

Are debates only to be entertained when the majority agree with you?

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@icyfroth wrote:

 

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has claimed the date of Australia Day should not be changed despite fierce debate over the issue in recent years.

 

Many Indigenous leaders have been pushing for the date of Australia Day to be moved from January 26, the date that marks the First Fleet landing in 1788 and the beginning of British colonisation.

 

A new survey released by the Institute of Public Affairs on Monday said despite the debate, 71 per cent of Australians were in favour of keeping the date as is.

 

The poll found the 71 per cent believe “Australia has a history to be proud of” and “Australia Day is an authentic way for Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians to celebrate being Australian”.

 

On Monday morning Sunrise breakfast show co-host Samantha Armytage grilled Mr Morrison over whether he agreed with the results of the poll or if he thought the date should be changed.

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/scott-morrison-shuts-down-sam-armytage-australia-day-question-015251182.ht...

 

Good on him!

 





Wouldn't matter what date they changed it to, there would still be a minority group who would protest, there  would never be a "right" date to hold it     ......  Maybe they need to just just abolish it? Personally I dont give a hoot whether it its held or not ( or when )


 

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Nobody cares what Scott Morrison says any more, he ill not be around for to long.

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Nobody cares what Scott Morrison says any more, he ill not be around for to long.


So he being replaced is he? when?

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@icyfroth wrote:

 

Prime Minister Scott Morrison has claimed the date of Australia Day should not be changed despite fierce debate over the issue in recent years.

 

Many Indigenous leaders have been pushing for the date of Australia Day to be moved from January 26, the date that marks the First Fleet landing in 1788 and the beginning of British colonisation.

 

A new survey released by the Institute of Public Affairs on Monday said despite the debate, 71 per cent of Australians were in favour of keeping the date as is.

 

The poll found the 71 per cent believe “Australia has a history to be proud of” and “Australia Day is an authentic way for Indigenous and non-Indigenous Australians to celebrate being Australian”.

 

On Monday morning Sunrise breakfast show co-host Samantha Armytage grilled Mr Morrison over whether he agreed with the results of the poll or if he thought the date should be changed.

 

https://au.news.yahoo.com/scott-morrison-shuts-down-sam-armytage-australia-day-question-015251182.ht...

 

Good on him!

 





Wouldn't matter what date they changed it to, there would still be a minority group who would protest, there  would never be a "right" date to hold it     ......  Maybe they need to just just abolish it? Personally I dont give a hoot whether it its held or not ( or when )


 


Really, I can relate to the Aborigines saying it's Invasion day". From their point of view, it was, and they fought long and hard against it.

Still, it's an Australia Day traditoin, as we know it, and it should stay that way, at least until Aussies drop off the perch and and the New Aussies take over.

 

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@icyfroth wrote:

@lyhargr_0 wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

 

 

Still, it's an Australia Day traditoin, as we know it, and it should stay that way, at least until Aussies drop off the perch and and the New Aussies take over.

 


In think that "Aussies" would be the original inhabitants, and the New Aussies would be people like you and me whose ancestors were boat people (later plane people) who came here on Invasion day and afterwards.

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Still, it's an Australia Day traditoin, as we know it, and it should stay that way, at least until Aussies drop off the perch and and the New Aussies take over.

 


 

serious question here, just who are the New Aussies you post about?

 

I won't even try and guess, I'll wait for a reply.

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@icyfroth wrote:

@lyhargr_0 wrote:

@icyfroth wrote:

 

 

Still, it's an Australia Day tradition, as we know it, and it should stay that way, at least until Aussies drop off the perch and and the New Aussies take over.

 


In think that "Aussies" would be the original inhabitants

 

No. there was no "Australia" before white settlement, so the aborigines would not have been Aussies.

 

, and the New Aussies would be people like you and me whose ancestors were boat people (later plane people) who came here on Invasion day and afterwards.

 

Yes we were called "New Australians" when we first arrived here. We assimililated and took on the traditions of our new country. I guess we're old "New Australians now".

 

The new wave of migrants are now the New Australians. They have their own traditions, and whether Australia Day as we know it will be carried into the future is uncertain.

 


 

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The new wave of migrants are now the New Australians. They have their own traditions, and whether Australia Day as we know it will be carried into the future is uncertain.

 


 

in your opinion, are any other tradions at risk from these "New Australians"?
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