seems mandatory vaccine is the go for the work place ....

[rogespeed]

The vaccine for covid , seems now being mandated for those currently employed

Seems like a violation of the existing conditions of employment for many , particularly whereby there is no mandate for  influenza vaccine requirement

Of course a harmless vaccine proven to mitigate against deadly covid-19 is desirable however some may object for whatever reason - and as are currently employed , one wonders the moral efficacy of coerced inoculation, as is clearly a workplace agreement item 

There is talk of dismissing currently employed workers for non-compliance

This to me would violate existing workplace agreements and a violation - fully paid leave would be the only  ethical way of excluding current employees ( unless all are retrenched then re-employed under covid safe clauses ) 

If there was no alternate to vaccination a strong case could be argued

But there are alternatives - periodic pcr tests,  daily check-in fast antigen tests , 1 minute on the treadmill 

The vaccines are released under emergency use meaning are experimental , so clearly fall under international law regarding strictly no forcing of experimental treatments

All that i am saying is that while inoculation is the most convenient , controllable and cost effective procedure , there should be an alternate process that meets workplace requirements

[janeababe]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

Risk from COVID .............. I ran the numbers ( published statistics from reliable sources )  and in the full year 2020 in Australia, I was approx. 32 times more likely to die in a farming accident, ( adjusted to exclude children who died on farms ) than I was of dying of COVID.  Puts a bit of perspective on some of the media hype about COVID.

Yes COVID is a risk to health, but simply being employed in farming is a 32 times greater risk. Try telling that to some of our COVID panicked city cousins.

Just to illustrate the point

https://www.finder.com.au/most-dangerous-jobs-australia 

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Good Lord, give me strength! 😏

Firstly, comparing a pandemic disease to a farm accident for statistical purposes for comparison is absolutely ridiculous and they are not comparable! 

Secondly: finder.com is NOT a reliable source 😑  ….. 

Thirdly: Taken from your posted link….the table shows that the average deaths from farming accidents is 47!  Also shows that is around 11.9%.  Not the 32% you claim!

How does that compare to covid deaths this year?  Currently sitting at 1448 deaths in Australia this year.

Still think you’ve got greater chance of being killed in a farm accident?

Fair Dinkim! I have to shake my head, I honestly just can’t believe some of the rubbish people sprout on here then label it fact or reliable sources.  

Err, and while I’m at it, you can’t catch and spread ‘farm accident’ to another person ! It won’t threaten their livelihood or health.
And I’ve never heard of anyone carrying around ‘farm accident’ in their nostrils…. Or threatening to create a ‘super farm accident’ bug 😁

Good try though! 😉

[domino-710]

[the_great_she_elephant]

4Channel wrote; Disgusting! It appears that the enemy the Anzacs bravely fought against in WWI and WWII has been reincarnated.  

Are you referring here to Germans, Turks,  Italians or Japanese?

[janeababe]

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@4channel wrote:

Trust you to use logic mate. 👍         …….What? 😂

In this issue there are certain obvious things overlooked by our political representatives that's for sure! Logic and actuality aren't always accepted today for some strange reason. Well … looks like the pot is  talking about the kettle! 

Wow, I didn't know that but farming is a profession for a certain kind of person. I've worked in various roles during my life where intense physical work is involved as well as mental stress. But with farming one has to be tough, physically and mentally.  Good old fashioned values too  I dare say. That's for sure.  Respect!  You’re carrying on as if farming is some super human career, only achieved by those of good old fashioned values! Jesus, do you live under a damn rock or something? 

Now in those countries that treat their citizens with hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin etc., countries that don't have the red-tape that we do, I dare say their city cousins would be doing OK. Possibly not as panicked   That’s here-say your honour! There is no evidentiary proof to support this statement! 

[lynsh84]

I am pretty sure that the Anzacs did not fight for the rights of shop assistants to refuse to abide by their Terms of Employment.

You really are dredging the bottom of the barrel now.....leave the Anzacs to RIP and don't bring them into any more Covid discussions.

[4channel]

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@the_great_she_elephant wrote:

4Channel wrote; Disgusting! It appears that the enemy the Anzacs bravely fought against in WWI and WWII has been reincarnated.  

Are you referring here to Germans, Turks,  Italians or Japanese?

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Australian bravely soldiers fought against evil empire,  tyranny in both the first and second world wars. 

Take Nazi Germany for instance. Gypsies, Jehovah Witnesses, Jews, people of African descent etc. had to wear emblems of a certain color and shape for identification.  Before the extermination facilities and concentration camps carried out the bulk of the evil agenda, the people who had these badges / brands were excluded from certain access to what the free population had access to. Jews, Gypsies and Poles had the ultimate in evil inflicted upon them. And it all started with an idea.

The fight against evil didn't end with the second world war. In the 60s, the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King gave his life to give freedom to ethnic minorities. He was killed before he could unite all races to fight against poverty.  In 1967, Indigenous Australians were accorded a status previously denied to them. By 1973, the horrific White Australia Policy was finally ended by Gough Whitlam.  Things were looking up for Australia.

Today, free Australians are having their freedom taken away from them. All of the previous battles, the memory of those who fought to achieve something better for society has been kicked to the kerbside and in to the gutter.

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How can there be any justification for this when  . .. .. .. ..

* US, the director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, Christopher Murray has given strong indication that vaccinated people can spread the virus, He gave strong indications that vaccinated people not being tested may be the reason transmission by vaccinated people is overlooked...  

*  It was Rochelle Walensky, head of the CDC in the US who said the “pivotal discovery” was that vaccinated people infected with delta appear to have  just as much virus in their systems  as those who are unvaccinated.

* Due to possible "over vaccinating",  a top doctor from Texas A&M College of Medicine says - we could see a super bug!

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There cannot be any such justification to destroy someone's job and livelihood just because they want to stand on the inalienable right that they were born with and choose whether to be jabbed or not.

[4channel]

@janeababe

I have done hard work during my life. Work that many people would be unable to handle. But when it comes to farming I acknowledge that it takes a special kind of man and woman to be a farmer. My hat's off to them.

[the_great_she_elephant]

4Channel wrote: Today, free Australians are having their freedom taken away from them. All of the previous battles, the memory of those who fought to achieve something better for society has been kicked to the kerbside and in to the gutter.

There cannot be any such justification to destroy someone's job and livelihood just because they want to stand on the inalienable right that they were born with and choose whether to be jabbed or not.

“His speeches left  the impression of an army of pompous phrases moving over the landscape in search of an idea;  sometimes these meandering words would actually capture a straggling thought and bear it triumphantly as a prisoner in their midst, until it died of servitude and overwork.”

William Gibbs Macado's description of  President Warren G Harding's propensity to use too many meaningless words,.

https://presidentialhistory.com/2015/12/was-abraham-lincoln-prophetic.html

[janeababe]

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@4channel wrote:

@janeababe

I have done hard work during my life. Work that many people would be unable to handle. But when it comes to farming I acknowledge that it takes a special kind of man and woman to be a farmer. My hat's off to them.

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You don’t appear to show respect for our nurses, doctors, ambulance personnel….our frontline workers though! 
Sure sure, you post links about the ones who ‘support’ your way of thinking, but those few are in a minority, and not the majority.  The REAL hero’s are the ones caring for the unvaccinated dying, the ones who can’t breath, the ones who can’t have visitors during their end of life journey, the ones that covid infected! 

The dying vaccinated, who didn’t escape the ferocity that Covid-19 attacks with. Those who have so many underlying health conditions, that they barely stood a fighting chance to start with!  MT HAT’S OFF TO THOSE WORKERS 💜

Now THATS a special kind of person!  

Standing on their feet 8-10-12-16hrs, then going home exhausted to their family, possibly risking their health status in the process, because tired people make mistakes.  It’s unfortunate, but it’s sadly true.

Yes, farmers play an important role, but their current biggest worry is the weather, (or mice plagues) not the pandemic! 

[4channel]

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@4channel wrote:

@janeababe

I have done hard work during my life. Work that many people would be unable to handle. But when it comes to farming I acknowledge that it takes a special kind of man and woman to be a farmer. My hat's off to them.

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@janeababe wrote:

You don’t appear to show respect for our nurses, doctors, ambulance personnel….our frontline workers though! 

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Show me where I have ever shown disrespect for Aust. nurses, doctors, ambulance - paramedic personnel. Please show!

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Sure sure, you post links about the ones who ‘support’ your way of thinking, but those few are in a minority, and not the majority.  The REAL hero’s are the ones caring for the unvaccinated dying, the ones who can’t breath, the ones who can’t have visitors during their end of life journey, the ones that covid infected! 

The dying vaccinated, who didn’t escape the ferocity that Covid-19 attacks with. Those who have so many underlying health conditions, that they barely stood a fighting chance to start with!  MT HAT’S OFF TO THOSE WORKERS 💜

Now THATS a special kind of person!  

Standing on their feet 8-10-12-16hrs, then going home exhausted to their family, possibly risking their health status in the process, because tired people make mistakes.  It’s unfortunate, but it’s sadly true.

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It's not about people who support my way of thinking. It's about medical staff, nurses ... doctors who have been joined by professors and scientists around the world to come out with brave accounts of what is wrong  in handling this corona virus issue. Even some vaccinated doctors have have said that neglecting early-stage drug treatment is so wrong.

And FYI, (that's for your info) I am not anti-vaxx, never have been. I believe some vaccines are helpful and even a vaccination for this virus has its place for those who need it

Anyone who works with critically ill people is heroic.

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@janeababe wrote:

Yes, farmers play an important role, but their current biggest worry is the weather, (or mice plagues) not the pandemic! 

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Sorry, incorrect! Farmers have many more things to worry about than what most folks realize. Even I know that. There's overheads, keeping up with payments, having to make time up for lost time due to illness, injury, having to travel on business etc.. I would say that pandemic affects them as well. Having to wait extra time for machinery parts to arrive by mail which is even longer now. That's one. Fake politicians in the Labour, Liberal and One Nation parties who are saying things for political gain. Also the ever looming agenda   possibility by design or incompetent governments which run them out of business and enable a major corporation domestic or foreign to come in and scoop up their farm.