so are we going to see a lot of homeless young people ?

[lakeland27]

People under 30 who are unemployed will have to wait six months to be eligible for  Newstart benefits, and will only be able to claim it for six months before the benefit is cut for another six months. This six-month cycle of getting benefits cut and returned will continue until someone gets a job or turns 30.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
Actually, up here you have to apply to be considered, martini.

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Hmm. Thats what you think but that's not the way it works in major institutions.

When we used to offer scholarships (at a major Sydney uni), almost all of the money went to post grad students and it was all tied to research. Because research is the only way that a (public or private funded) university can increase their government funding.

It was made clear that giving scholarships to undergrad was throwing out 2 lots of funding in one hit.

The process is the same nationwide.

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When my kid was finishing school a few years ago

as an undergraduate, he got scholarships and bursaries from all three of the unis he applied to

I am specifically doing an undergraduate degree atm as I giot a scholarship for it

[bella_again · Accepted solution]

Lakeland that's my concern to that the Tafe system will clogged up with teens who don't wan to be there. I have already seen it happening although at the moment over a 1/3 end up dropping out.  My DD has a couple in her class that are roudy and disruptive making it really hard for others.  There is deadly squat they can do about.  Schools and Tafes will end up being teenage day care centre if we are not careful.

[*crikey*mate*]

thanks martini - copied and saved to study.

cheers

[cherry*135]

At present: (don't know how the 2014 Budget will affect this, if at all)

TAFE ILLAWARRA NSW Govt subsidised fees

Fee exemptions

Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander students are exempt from paying the TAFE NSW fee.

Students who live or work in NSW and who receive a disability support pension and students with a disability (clients of a Teacher/Consultant for students with a disability) are exempt from paying the TAFE NSW fee for one TAFE NSW course enrolment per year (and are eligible for a $106 concession fee for each subsequent course enrolment in that year).

Concession fee

Students who receive one or more eligible Commonwealth benefits or allowances at the time of their enrolment may be eligible to pay a concession fee rather than the full TAFE NSW fee.

All TAFE NSW fees and charges are subject to change.

In 2014, the concession fee is $106 per course enrolment.

Eligible benefits include:

• Age Pension
• Austudy (including Veterans' Children Education Scheme)
• Carer Payment
• Disability Support Pension (second or subsequent course enrolment per year, first enrolment is exempt)
• Exceptional Circumstances Relief Payment
• Family Tax Benefit Part A (maximum rate)
• Farm Help Income Support
• Mature Age Allowance
• Newstart Allowance
• Parenting Payment (Single)
• Sickness Allowance
• Special Benefit
• Veterans’ Affairs Payments
• Widow Allowance
• Widow Pension (including Widow ‘B’ Pension)
• Wife Pension
• Youth Allowance.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@freakiness wrote:

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@*crikey*mate* wrote:

same as those working in mines do

same as kids who want a specific degree/course 9offered at a specific uni or school already do

as I said, I know it's not disney, but maybe that's what they have to do, and I know atm, that relocation assistance is available, and living away from home allowances etc

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those working in mines usually get paid to travel to and from the mines. 

people plan for uni moves and make the choice.

relocation assistance is not handed out on a hope of finding a job.

You have to have a job offer in writing and it has to be  permanent job from the outset. Easier said than done, especially for the young who've less experience.

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it is given if you find the job though - at least through the job agency connected to the government payments/help

[*elizabeths-mum*]

*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
Actually, up here you have to apply to be considered, martini.
Hmm. Thats what you think but that's not the way it works in major institutions.

When we used to offer scholarships (at a major Sydney uni), almost all of the money went to post grad students and it was all tied to research. Because research is the only way that a (public or private funded) university can increase their government funding.

It was made clear that giving scholarships to undergrad was throwing out 2 lots of funding in one hit.

The process is the same nationwide.

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I am not privy to the same information as you, martini but can only rely on my own experience and the experiences of people I work with who have all had to apply for scholarships to be considered. If what you say is true, I am intrigued why students in my daughters year who got OP 1and 2 were overlooked for a scholarship dedicated to OP1 and 2 recipients because none of them applied and it went to a student with an OP3. Even research grants don't seem to float from heaven but are offered to successful students who applied for them.

[i-need-a-martini]

Yes but what you will find is that the majority of advertised scholarships are industry scholarships rather than university scholarships. No industry sponsors means no scholarship.

And yes there are cash scholarships which are one offs and are usually under $1000 that target low income or indigenous undergrad students - usually under a banner called 'diversity'. But they are very few and are hard to get - pretty much every second student applies either before commencing their course or during their first year.  Either way it is a piddling amount and is usually based on 50% of the cost of one subject per semester. So for example if you are a law student and one of your subjects costs $5000, you will get $2500. Sadly you still have another 3 subjects at $5000 each to pay for that year!

But a scholarship that covers a year or so of your degree/research isn't advertised in the same way. These are the scholarships I refer to. And this is where the big money is.

[cherry*135]

$5.7B savings from cuts in Family Tax Benefits

[bella_again]

Am3 that is in NSW I paid over 300 for a 6 month course.  Which isn't a lot really but then double that so it gets pricey and add all the other costs.  Different states have different prices for different courses...

[boris1gary]

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@*crikey*mate* wrote:

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@freakiness wrote:

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@*crikey*mate* wrote:

same as those working in mines do

same as kids who want a specific degree/course 9offered at a specific uni or school already do

as I said, I know it's not disney, but maybe that's what they have to do, and I know atm, that relocation assistance is available, and living away from home allowances etc

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those working in mines usually get paid to travel to and from the mines. 

people plan for uni moves and make the choice.

relocation assistance is not handed out on a hope of finding a job.

You have to have a job offer in writing and it has to be  permanent job from the outset. Easier said than done, especially for the young who've less experience.

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it is given if you find the job though - at least through the job agency connected to the government payments/help

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The job agency? Do you mean job search, where you are forced to go weekly, sit on a rubbish computer and look for jobs that don't exist? Did you know that if by chance you are luck enough to find a job yourself (because jobsearch sure won't) they get paid up to $5000.