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People under 30 who are unemployed will have to wait six months to be eligible for  Newstart benefits, and will only be able to claim it for six months before the benefit is cut for another six months. This six-month cycle of getting benefits cut and returned will continue until someone gets a job or turns 30.

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Shadow treasurer Chris Bowen tells 7.30 the budget delivered by Joe Hockey is a "budget of deceit".
 
"This is a deeply concerning budget, a budget of deceit showing this Government was elected on a web of deceit and it has an attack on low and middle-income earners in particular. 
 
"We'll be applying those principles and in particular it is a trashing of the fundamental principles of Medicare, it is an unwinding of a long period of government support for Medicare and we will oppose that all the way, with all the energy we can muster
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Actually, up here you have to apply to be considered, martini.
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@boris1gary wrote:

yes somewhere there is a problem, it's called unemployment, 5.8% official figure, so it's probably closer to 7 or 8%. If you go to TAFE it costs a large chunk of your newstart and chances are the TAFE course has either been slashed or by the time you finish there isn't any work in that area anyway. The jobs aren't there. Now with how many thousands of public servant jobs going, we can add those as well.


that figure isn't much different to how it always is, and how m,any of those are in the under 30 demographic?


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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

@*crikey*mate* wrote:



seriously?

 

can they at least get into some sort of study and get the payment for studying?

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Have you not seen what they have just done to universities crikey???

They have just deregulated uni fees. That means the only people that will get a tertiary education are overseas students and kids of rich folk.

 

You want an architecture degree at NSW Uni? They currently pay $150,000. With deregulation we can expect to at least quadruple that.

 

So your average kid from the wrong side of the tracks has just been hit a double whammy from all sides. No prospect of an education. No prospect of a job. No prospect of getting food in their mouth.

 

 


no, I didn't know, can you show me where i can learn about this please?


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Actually, up here you have to apply to be considered, martini.

Hmm. Thats what you think but that's not the way it works in major institutions.

 

When we used to offer scholarships (at a major Sydney uni), almost all of the money went to post grad students and it was all tied to research. Because research is the only way that a (public or private funded) university can increase their government funding.

 

It was made clear that giving scholarships to undergrad was throwing out 2 lots of funding in one hit.

 

The process is the same nationwide.

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@i-need-a-martini wrote:

@am*3 wrote:

I have a student loan, it was $12,000 probably at least $15 000 now. I have never been able to get a full time job earning over the limit to have to start paying it back. Peanuts compared to most, especially double degrees, but still I would rather work & pay it back.


Well now you are going to be charged interest on it am. So if you don't pay it back it will increase not only by CPI but also by 6% each year.


Yes, I realise that.. not good, especially for others who have a much larger HELP Loan debt than mine.

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@*crikey*mate* wrote:

 

 


no, I didn't know, can you show me where i can learn about this please?


SMH has plenty on it. But Honi Soit has just posted this:

 

Higher Education: “We are a nation of lifters, not learners”

 

The Budget will force massive changes upon higher education providers and students, with most reforms set to kick in in 2016.

 

In line with recommendations made by the Kemp-Norton review, universities will be able to determine the cost of the degrees they offer from July 2016.

 

“Some course fees may rise and some fall,” said Hockey in his budget address.

 

This comes despite the Commission of Audit conceding “uncapping university fees could lead to very large fee increases”.

 

“While universities are currently able to set student contributions below the maximum level, almost no universities have taken up that opportunity,” the Commission found.

 

The Bradley Review of Higher Education released in 2008 further suggested that “prices at [more established universities] would rise very sharply” due to an assortment of factors including reputational status and locational advantages. The Commission of Audit also noted that, when the United Kingdom lifted the maximum price of tuition by 300 per cent, all tertiary institutions took on the highest possible fees.

 

In addition to the likelihood of a real fee increase, the proportion paid by students is set to rise, on average, by 20 per cent.

 

Currently, students pay approximately 41 per cent of the total price of their degrees. Changes introduced in the federal budget will see students pay 61 per cent. This fee increase is 6 per cent higher than was recommended by the Commission of Audit.

 

Revenue raised by these savings has been slated to pay for the expansion of the demand-driven system, which will see the creation of Commonwealth Supported Places for higher education diplomas, advanced diplomas and associated degree courses.

 

To counteract the effect these fee hikes would have on access to education, the Coalition will require universities to redirect 20 per cent of additional revenue raised, to Commonwealth Scholarship schemes (CSS), which will aim to increase the participation of low socioeconomic students.

 

“One dollar out of every five dollars in additional tuition revenue will be used to fund scholarships to those from disadvantaged backgrounds”, said Hockey.

 

Significantly, revenue for this fund is to be exclusively drawn from the difference in price of degrees under the current system and the new, deregulated system. If, for instance, a university made $200,000 from fees in the current system and $300,000 under the deregulated system, $20,000 of this difference would be placed in the university’s scholarship scheme.

 

The determination of low SES eligibility, however, remains the ambit of individual institutions, a Treasury spokesperson told Honi. The Government would merely provide “guidance” for the operation of these schemes.

 

A report compiled by the Melbourne University’s Centre for the Study of Higher Education in 2008 further noted that “scholarships, bursaries and fee remissions [were] not the entire solution to increasing access,” citing complementing factors such as the insufficient provision of Youth Allowance.

 

In 2012, only 8.64 per cent of students enrolled at Sydney University came from low SES backgrounds, compared to the national average of 15.7 per cent. In the same year, less than 10 per cent of University of New South Wales students, and less than 5 per cent of students from the Australian National University came from low SES backgrounds.

 

Changes to the Higher Education Loan Programme (HELP) scheme have also been introduced. Currently, the interest rate on HELP loans is fixed to inflation. Under the changes, the interest rate will be tied to the cost of federal borrowings, equivalent to the yields on ten-year bonds issued by the Government. This rate remains strictly higher than the rate of inflation, but will be capped at 6 per cent.

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Scholarships available are shown on Uni websites, with information, how to apply and closing dates etc. I checked them out before I enrolled!. Some were for regional/country students.

 

The new changes need to offer  many more of these than what is available now though. Really a scholarship for a low income, disadvantaged  person needs to be about $30 000 not $3000.

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@*crikey*mate* wrote:

 

same as those working in mines do

 

same as kids who want a specific degree/course 9offered at a specific uni or school already do

 

as I said, I know it's not disney, but maybe that's what they have to do, and I know atm, that relocation assistance is available, and living away from home allowances etc

 


those working in mines usually get paid to travel to and from the mines. 

people plan for uni moves and make the choice.

relocation assistance is not handed out on a hope of finding a job.

You have to have a job offer in writing and it has to be  permanent job from the outset. Easier said than done, especially for the young who've less experience.

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
Scholarships aggravate me. There seem to be a number of sporting and arts scholarships but very few for academic subjects and those that there are aren't advertised.

i don't know about now, but I know there were quite a few scholarships on offer a few years ago, The school careers officer pushed them during Personal Development Classes, constantly informed of them by email, had special information nights about them. the unis all came for a careers day and promoted them, the school helped the kids apply for them

 

and the kids who did early entry, were informed by the uni as well about scholarships and bursaries

 

a fair few academic ones were up for grabs scholarships and bursaries

 

and once my eldest started uni, the uni flooded him with other info about more scholarships and bursaries available etc and same for me actually, in my first few years anyway, haven't noticed any this year LOL

 

on at kleast 3 unis, there is an entire section devoted just to what scholarships are available and to whom.

 

There really isn't a shortage of academic scholarships


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