where is freedom

[wilk1149]

The only way to even try to maintain freedom is to not let them take away your firearms. How many free countries disallow its citizens to own firearms.

[goldenjet16]

"What does that have to do with regulating gun ownership? If anything more guns in the society would give police more reason to suspect that person has a gun.

Case 1- Drunk people do not belong to police cells; in many countries they are kept in special facilities where there is a medical supervision. Police are not qualified to judge whether person is sick or drunk. And yes, police are known to mistreat people.

case 2- Victoria has a long history of shooting unarmed mentally ill people, or people armed with knifes, which should not be a threat to police if they stay at distance and try to diffuse the confrontation."

The Doctor is in the house...... 😉

[softail-joanie]

Maybe in the world you live in, but in the real world, that "god-given" right doesn't exist. What did they do before firearms were invented? Was it a "god-given" right that you possess a crossbow?

A god given right?Show me a passage in the bible where it says it's a right for men to carry automatic or semi-automatic weapons.

Yes, here in Australia it is a privilege that only responsible people of sound mind deserve. It is not about "government giving" anything, it is about protecting society.

Your 2nd amendment has nothing to do with us, and it all has absolutely nothing to do with god. It's funny how some people when they see they are losing argument drag God out. LOL

Christ's Law of the Sword- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL95OoKzcFA

again- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bW4pLv9DyqA

Any law anywhere, even in Alstraila, turning the right into a privlidge is not only invalid, It goes against God.

Jesus said, "Sell your garment if you have to and buy a sword" When he said those who live by the sword will die by the sword, he was talking about those who rule with a sword. To think that Jesus didn't want Christains armed is obsurd. If that the case, the no Christain could ever be a police officer, no Christian could ever be in the military, Obsurd ! Listen to Chuck Baldwin on the matter, in the video, he explains it cristal clear.

If you think i'm pushing American values on Alstraila, no, i'm not, have all the laws you want that go against God, that violate rights, but I will say that all Alstrailians have those rights and your laws can't take that away, only unjustly punnish them for going with God.

You can't make a flat earth round, and you can't make a round earth flat, Only God can do that, these rights and freedoms, and truth all of it, comes from God, and comes back to God. As in the video.

[myoclon1cjerk]

Statistically about a third of Australians don't believe in god.That number increases by about 3% every 5 years.By the end of the century or earlier,hopefully,we'll be completely cured.

[wilk1149]

When emotional blowhards insist that all firearms should be banned that leads to political parties listening and acting. In the federal election one of the Greens policies was to ban all handgun ownership, starting with licensed registered handguns. Even thought a handgun is the most difficult firearm to achieve ownership and rightly so. Every time any political brings in a new firearm law it has the greatest affect on legal, licenced and registered firearm owners. Illegal firearm ownership is to hard to tackle in this country because politicians are to weak to tackle the hard targets.

[polksaladallie]

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@goldenjet16 wrote:
"What does that have to do with regulating gun ownership? If anything more guns in the society would give police more reason to suspect that person has a gun.

Case 1- Drunk people do not belong to police cells; in many countries they are kept in special facilities where there is a medical supervision. Police are not qualified to judge whether person is sick or drunk. And yes, police are known to mistreat people.

case 2- Victoria has a long history of shooting unarmed mentally ill people, or people armed with knifes, which should not be a threat to police if they stay at distance and try to diffuse the confrontation."

The Doctor is in the house...... 😉

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MATT PEACOCK: Nationally, almost half those killed by police have mental health conditions, an issue already emerging in Queensland's dramatic surge.

TERRY GOLDSWORTHY, CRIMINOLOGIST, BOND UNIVERSITY: It is unusual to have four shootings so closely grouped together. We've now seen - it looks like three of the people may have had underlying mental health issues.

MATT PEACOCK: National statistics on police shootings haven't been updated since 2011 because of budget cuts, but in the four years until then, Australia had 14 fatalities. That's nearly four times the per capita rate of England and Wales

TERRY GOLDSWORTHY: Twice the population of Australia, 56 million, roughly, and they had nine shootings in that period. So, equivalent period, less shootings, more population.

MATT PEACOCK: Criminologist Terry Goldsworthy has been there. As a former policeman, he was involved in a shootout.

TERRY GOLDSWORTHY: Everything happens very quickly and instinctively. So there's really no time to run through scenarios once you are in close proximity and you're engaged.

MATT PEACOCK: He's now urging a change in police tactics and training.

TERRY GOLDSWORTHY: There really is a focus on the firearm at this point in time. I don't know if that's a healthy focus. It is a use-of-force option, but it's only one of many. I think perhaps if a step back was taken and we looked at some of the other options, like Victoria did in light of its shooting records, and they withdrew from being firearm-focused to look at other issues to resolve these things.

TERRY GOLDSWORTHY: If you had an armed person who is agitating in their front yard, you don't enter the front yard. You step back, you wait across the road, you observe them, you make sure no-one's in danger and you leave them alone till you assess and plan your response.

http://www.abc.net.au/7.30/content/2014/s4145574.htm

[gleee58]

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@softail-joanie wrote:

Me too, but this not posting the link I copy pasted is getting anoying. Go to youtube and search- Suzanna Hupp,

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We don't need to as you have spammed the whole page with Suzanna Hupp.

So,  no thanks. No amount of harrassment will cause me to watch.

[gleee58]

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@softail-joanie wrote:

I find that when the links don't post and I get an error message, if I just hit the "post" button again, it ususally works.

Yeah, but this wasn't an error message. It was kinda like a silent ban, you keep posting and it shows that your posting, but no one else can see it, and if your not signed in, you can not see any of your posts.

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You can't be serious.

Read the message. They don't want you, or anyone else, posting duplicate messages so it's a hint that it has already posted.

[gleee58]

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@poddster wrote:

No need for anyone to reply but it is worth thinking about.

It someone was pointing a gun at you or your family and you had access to a gun, what would YOU do?

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If they're holding a gun on you you'd probably get shot while attempting to reach your gun.

[fly-joanie]

We don't need to as you have spammed the whole page with Suzanna Hupp. So,  no thanks. No amount of harrassment will cause me to watch.

I did no such thing, I tried to post one single link to a video, the link for whatever reason wouldn't post, then all the attempts that didn't post suddendly did. Not my fault. People like you are responcable for killing Susanna's Parrents. You demand the laws that keep her from saving her parrents from a mad gunman. None of those laws stopped the mad gunman from finding a gun and driving through the plate glass window of that resturaunt, and open fire on the patrons, The gun control laws only stopped Suzanna Hupp from being able to save her mommy and daddy. She regrets not being a criminal on that day. Thats sad, very sad when good law abiding people have to regret not being a criminal.

[gleee58]

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@fly-joanie wrote:

We don't need to as you have spammed the whole page with Suzanna Hupp. So,  no thanks. No amount of harrassment will cause me to watch.

I did no such thing, I tried to post one single link to a video, the link for whatever reason wouldn't post, then all the attempts that didn't post suddendly did. Not my fault.

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That's not true. You posted the message that informed you that the post had posted and warned you off post flooding.

You posted and complained about it as if it was some personal violation directed solely at you.