on 26-02-2021 10:41 PM
Dear community,
I have recently been selling my brand new NBA card boxes, they're factory sealed and get sent in really good packaging as I'd want to receive them the way I send them.
I sent a box to the US and thought it was odd that my payment was on old when the order came through. When they arrived, within a day the buyer complained they were used and weren't factory sealed. Didn't message me about it though, immediately lodged a return request. Ebay steps in and says I have to organise a return label.
Hang on a sec, I haven't even spoken to the buyer nor has he provided proof of their claim, oh we're an online platform and we don't verify claims we accept what the buyer says came the reply.
Now after this back and forth and trying to get a reply from the buyer and getting crickets, they close the case in the buyer's favour, give him a refund and basically tell me that's that.
So I organised a return label and of course, still nothing from the buyer, no response to ebay messages or SMS to their phone number.
Now I'm expected to pay sellers fees, have just had my goods effectively stolen with ebay's full blessing and out of pocket for the return label (I should be able to get a refund for that) and on top of that I get calls daily from paypal's robotcaller which when I answer no one is there so I've blocked it as it's spam.
So my question is, what can I do. I'm flabbergasted that they sided with a buyer with a zero rating and without proof of their claim. Meanwhile other buyers are sending me praise for how well things are packaged and totally positive.
What really hurt was the complete lack of empathy from the chat/email agents, kept telling me that I needed to factor in these types of situations into my business plan. I'm not running a business here! Complete and utter incompetence and after looking for any phone numbers or places to lodge a complaint against ebay's handling of the matter I can't find anything online.
So, wondering if any of you have any suggestions. I'm down about $900 as a result of this farcical episode.
on 26-02-2021 11:30 PM
On line selling can be a cruel master.
Any motivated scammer only needs a pulse and an internet connection to scam you.
On eBay the buyer is not required to communicate with you.
The MBG will always favour the buyer.
Sadly there is no way you can prove that what you listed is what you sent.
Many savvy sellers have posted that you should not list anything that you can't afford to lose.
Even had you provided funds for the buyer to return the item chances are you would have received the buyers **bleep**py old cards.
Others will be along with their thoughts... I can think of no way to recover your money.
on 27-02-2021 12:23 AM
You had to resolve the case while it was open. The buyer does not have to prove anything. No point sending a postage label once the case is closed, your money and item are gone. There are plenty of pitfalls in online trading, especially when dealing International
on 27-02-2021 03:52 AM
The only thing I can suggest for future sales, is video the complete packing, label, sealing package whilst at the post office and don't forget if the item is over $750 you need to have Signature on Delivery.
I feel for you. There's nothing worse than being scammed on eBay, and there's barely any seller protection either other than tracking.
you could try appealing the decision. Make eBay aware of your feedback from other buyers (not sure if it will do any good), taking into account this was an extremely expensive item, point this out. Use the chat line, not via email as the response are pathetic robot responses.
inwould also change your buyer preferences so that 0 feedback buyers cannot purchase from you.
I hope if you appeal, eBay sees sense and refunds you. (Sometimes they will do this as a "good will gesture"
27-02-2021 07:39 AM - edited 27-02-2021 07:40 AM
Video will not help.
There are no settings to block zero feedback buyers.
on 28-02-2021 08:57 AM
@repentatleisure1952 wrote:Video will not help.
There are no settings to block zero feedback buyers.
Yeah, I was pretty pished when they removed that option. That said, I tend to have more issues with higher feedback buyers. Not that I have many issues, because I don't, thankfully.
on 28-02-2021 11:54 AM
@ddue8024 wrote:Dear community,
I have recently been selling my brand new NBA card boxes, they're factory sealed and get sent in really good packaging as I'd want to receive them the way I send them.
I sent a box to the US and thought it was odd that my payment was on old when the order came through. When they arrived, within a day the buyer complained they were used and weren't factory sealed. Didn't message me about it though, immediately lodged a return request. Ebay steps in and says I have to organise a return label.
Hang on a sec, I haven't even spoken to the buyer nor has he provided proof of their claim, oh we're an online platform and we don't verify claims we accept what the buyer says came the reply.
Now after this back and forth and trying to get a reply from the buyer and getting crickets, they close the case in the buyer's favour, give him a refund and basically tell me that's that.
So I organised a return label and of course, still nothing from the buyer, no response to ebay messages or SMS to their phone number.
Now I'm expected to pay sellers fees, have just had my goods effectively stolen with ebay's full blessing and out of pocket for the return label (I should be able to get a refund for that) and on top of that I get calls daily from paypal's robotcaller which when I answer no one is there so I've blocked it as it's spam.
So my question is, what can I do. I'm flabbergasted that they sided with a buyer with a zero rating and without proof of their claim. Meanwhile other buyers are sending me praise for how well things are packaged and totally positive.
What really hurt was the complete lack of empathy from the chat/email agents, kept telling me that I needed to factor in these types of situations into my business plan. I'm not running a business here! Complete and utter incompetence and after looking for any phone numbers or places to lodge a complaint against ebay's handling of the matter I can't find anything online.
So, wondering if any of you have any suggestions. I'm down about $900 as a result of this farcical episode.
Just curious here. Not doubting your word, but how did you organise a return label? Quite often on here I have read that return labels can only be sent for items within Australia, not to international buyers. That could be wrong, I don't know, but interested in how it works.
With regard to payments being put on hold, I believe this can happen if you haven't been selling for long or haven't sold much recently. The money may go on hold for 21 days or until you can confirm the items have been delivered. This stage doesn't last forever, just till you have a few recent sales under your belt.
I do feel for you as it does sound as if you have been scammed and i agree, a buyer should need to provide some sort of evidence in a case like this-perhaps photos-although realistically, ebay is probably going to side with the buyer in most cases.
However, it is pretty poor that the buyer gets the full refund before there is evidence that the item has been returned to you. As tuckcase said, a dodgy buyer might just send something old back to you but at least they would have had to go to some effort, go through the motions.
I can't help you with how to get your money back. You could try the chat option and reinforce the fact you did not get your item back etc as you were meant to, maybe they may reimburse you out of ebay funds. Don't count on it though.
If you have paid for a postage label, there may be a way to cancel it and get your money back for that, at least. Sellers here will be able to help you with that or let you know if it is possible.
In the meantime, perhaps limit some of your expensive items to Australia only. It won't cut out the scammmers but it may make it easier & less expensive with return labels and so on.
on 28-02-2021 05:32 PM
on 28-02-2021 05:33 PM
I agree that was when it needed to be done and from my perspective I was trying to resolve it, it seemed that even though their policy is buyer and seller need to sort out I found it odd that when the buyer didn't reply or communicate with me at all they considered that as reasonable.
on 28-02-2021 05:35 PM