Fed Up - Non paying buyers!

ki55ma
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Seriously sick to death of sellers NOT having the ability to at least leave neutral feedback for buyers that don't pay for items and do not communicate. 
Twice in less then a month I have had to do unpaid item cases, the first buyer just ignored it completely. Second buyer I am still awaiting a response. 

AND I have to wait 4 days to lodge the unpaid item case, then another 4 days awaiting a response from buyer  that usually doesn't come. Buyers need to start being held accountable for not paying for items, the current protocols buyers just treat like a joke and eBay doesn't care in the slightest as we the sellers still get slugged for wasting our time and fees with relisting etc. 
Ebay doesn't seem to care about sellers who not only pay the substantial fees but also spend considerable time photographing, describing and listing items. 

I don't see the current protocols by eBay supporting the hard work and financial costs that sellers put in. 

Buyers need to start receiving feedback that they deserve, so that other sellers can block them from bidding if required. 

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Sellers can sit there with all their listings but if a buyer doesn't come along and buy anything then there's no sale.

Yes the sellers pay fees but that's because a buyer came along and bought something which ebay then kisses the buyers

**bleep** for making ebay money.

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@ki55ma wrote:

Buyers sre not the ones paying all the fees, sellers are. 
Although I get it that without both ebay would die in its a**. 
But they need sellers in the first place for the buyers. 🙂


The seller may hand the money to ebay, but a good seller would have received that money from their buyer.

Most sellers build their fees into the item price and handling fee when creating their listing so in effect the buyers on ebay are the ones paying the fees.

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I too went down the path of BIN with 'immediate PayPal payment required' late last year. I haven't had a non-paying buyer since.

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What came first....the buyer or the seller? hmm

 

I mean, if we are to determine which one is more important, or at the very least, which one is more important to eBay, it's imperative we examine the origins of the buyer - seller relationship. Now, it's true that the seller came first on eBay, because the buyer of the first item ever listed couldn't have purchased that broken laser pointer unless there was a seller of it, but, in order for a seller to actually become a seller, they need a buyer (otherwise they are just a lister), and therefore an awareness that buyers exist (this means, at the root, we will also explore "is a buyer / seller still a buyer / seller when they are not buying / selling anything?". 

zen

 

 

So, many, many years ago, Grug was sitting by the cave fire and saw a round log dislodge and roll out of the fire, moving quickly and unimpeded towards him. After first waving his arms about and grunting (not to mention getting a few leg hairs singed when the log smacked against his ankle), Grug realised something. That log could move, and fast! 'Neat', he thought (well, 'neat' didn't exist as a word back then, so that's an approximate translation of the original thought). 

 

The next day, Grug found an unsinged round log and decided to play with it a little. He took it to a hill, and rolled it down, watching with delight as it tumbled to the bottom of the hill. Except, now there was a problem, he needed to retreive the log so he could continue the fun, so he flung himself down the hill, mimicing the shape of the log and rolling down to the bottom (interesting fact, this is the first recorded instance of a person rolling down a hill, only back then it wasn't for fun, it was because it was clear that rolling is faster than walking, and Grug wanted to get that log back quickly to continue playing with it). 

 

A short while later, Brod approached the hill where Grug was playing. By this stage, Grug had realised that the cylindrical shape of a log was problematic and had whittled it into a sphere shape, thus creating the first ever (non-bouncy) ball, and also inventing the forward roll - the pre-cursor to somersaults - as he continued to mimic the shape of his toy for maximum effectiveness. Brod watched as Grug rolled the ball down the hill, quickly following after it, with hands on his hips and 'tsk-ing' (the tsk actually pre-dates all spoken languages, just so you know). 

 

Now, Brod was a shrewd man, and as he watched Grug play, he noticed that the unusually shaped log might be good for something more than Grug's simple application. When Grug had made yet another trek back up to the top of the hill, log-ball in hand, Brod called him over. He pointed at the log-ball, indicating that he would like to take it. Grug vehemently denied this request, clutching the ball to his chest, and the two began to get quite annoyed with each other, their shouts increasing in volume until Crork, Grug's brother, noticed the argument and came over to investigate. 

 

They continued to argue until Brod made a grab for the log-ball, but Grug was too quick (and tall), and held it aloft, out of Brod's reach. What ensued resulted in the first ever game of keepaway, as well as - eventually - dodgeball, which (as you can imagine) was a lot more dangerous back then. 

 

That's not too important, though, what is important is that, unable to quell his desire to possess the round, fast-moving thing Grug had, Brod brooded constantly over how to acquire it. Fed up with his moodiness and hoping to make him forget about his problems for a while, Brod's wife, Inger, cozied up to him and asked him if he remembered how they met (in such a way as primitive language allows, which here involves Inger pointing to the extremely effective club Brod had fashioned out of some fine wood 8 years earlier, now mounted on the cave-wall as a constant testament to Brod's prowess). 

 

This did not quite go as planned for Inger, as rather than inspire Brod's romanticism, instead he was inspired to use his trusty club as a means to acquire the log-ball, intending to catch Grug unawares and take it for himself at last (here the seeds of super-villainry were sown, so if you ever ponder what came first, the superhero or the super-villain, there's your answer).

 

Later that night, Brod approached Grug's cave, brandishing his club. 

 

"Grug!" he shouted, and when both Grug and Crork emerged from the cave, heated negotiations began, but they took a sudden and unexpected turn, with Crork suggesting the two swap items instead of fighting.

 

Grug, however, was not convinced of the club's usefulness or effectiveness, and doubted that it could improve his quality of life in the same way the log-ball had.

 

Brod, however, refusing to give up, decided Grug just needed a demonstration. Grinning widely, he quickly and effortlessly smacked Crork over the head with the club, who then went down faster than Grug could blink, laying flat on his back and unconscious in an instant. 

 

Grug was amazed and impressed, allowing himself to now be convinced to make the trade - playing with his ball was definitely fun, but dating might be more fun.

 

This is the first known transaction to occur in the history of man, and from this we can clearly see that it was a mutually beneficial arrangement, neither being able to be 'buyer' or 'seller' without the other, thus the conclusion is that it is a symbiotic relationship that exists in the moment, and neither is more important than the other. (Brod later discovered that he could have acquired a similar log-ball from Zord for a mere slingshot, but that's another story).

 

and that's the end of that chapter.png

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With that load of codswallop I can see why sellers are constantly screwed around!

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@ki55ma wrote:

With that load of codswallop I can see why sellers are constantly screwed around!


Of course it's codswallop, that's what stories are, but it's (supposed to be) entertaining codswallop. I was responding to the constant "eBay are nothing without buyers..." and "eBay are nothing without sellers..." BS, because that's exactly what both of those arguments are, BS.

 

Some people can believe one is more important than the other, and this can result in unfair treatment, but that's not the same as one being truly more important than another. 

 

 

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I'm getting sick of the bs excuses to cancel orders as well.

 

Had one not longer begging to cancel the order because she didn't realise she had bid on two same items from me and another seller, dad was sick in hospital blah blah blah...gave her the benefit of the doubt and cancelled the order. 

 

Now since ebay stopped allowing you to see what people are bidding on, you have no way of checking. But, did some snooping around,  looked at the feedback this buyer left for another seller, found the feedback on that sellers page, clicked view item, and sure enough she did bid on another item the same.....BUT, on checking the time she placed the bid with that seller and looking at what time she placed her bid on my item.....well what do you know.... Bids placed 3 minutes apart.  Either she has a very poor memory or is full of carp!   The latter is what I think!

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I had someone in the US buy an item that was litsed as BIN, 20 mins after he he clicked "confirm purchase" he wanted to cancel as he realised it had a small chip.....damn listing fully showed and described the chip. Fool told me he only looked at the pics, not the description....well sunshiine the chip was listed in both. I refused to cancel the order and took it to NPB, hope the a-hole got the strike he deserves, but knowing eBay he didn't. 

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If you closed the NPB dispute he would certainly have been awarded the strike.
But being a buyer it's very easy to have them removed if they call eBay.
Unlike us sellers who cannot get anything removed.
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Ebay allow an hour after a purchase to be cancelled without any repercussions to the buyer

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