Have eBay's recent policy changes done more to erode buyer confidence than to address it?

I have been an eBayer for 15 years, sold for nearly 10, then took a break from selling and only returned a year ago. 

 

I remember the time when, if a buyer had an issue, the very first thing they would do is contact the seller to see what they could do to fix it.  Since returning to selling on eBay, I am now finding that, not all the time, but all too often, buyers are jumping in and lodging disputes or just going straight to leaving negs, without even bothering to contact the seller to express their dissatisfaction and see what could be done.  Furthermore, they will often not respond to attempts to correct the problem, even when a seller offers a refund. 

 

I believe this behaviour has been instilled in some buyers by eBay's blatant promotion of the MBG and defect system.  It is far easier to push a button and request a refund through the system, than to write a message to the seller.  Okay, I can understand that part, but what's with the neg thing?  I have seen numerous posts in recent weeks and it has happened to me twice now, where the buyer just goes straight to negative feedback.  The first you know there is a problem is when you see the red dot.  I always contact the buyer, and ask what the problem is and offer a solution, which usually includes the offer of a refund, but on both occasions recently, there has been no response from the buyer.  Why would they not want to accept a refund?  And why are they so keen to jump to negs without contacting the seller first?  Is it because all eBay's so called "buyer safety" measures actually do more to erode buyer's confidence in sellers than to make them feel safer?

 

Open for discussion......

Cheers,

Penny
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the problem is simple  for so many years if a buyer does not get there parcel ,they would complain first to the seller ,and if the seller would not help they then would go to ebay ,,too many parcels go missing [main reason auspost,just have a look in the paper everyday letters are taking 3 weeks parcels are ariving 3 months later, would these buyers still buy from ebay ,the answere is no.

and can you blame them ,no, so this is the reason policys have to change ,[ebay are saying you need to get a signature or at least tracking ,now I know a lot of the sellers use envelopes , but if you have a couple of envelopes go missing a year ,except it ,its only small priced artices in them ,and everbody is happy ,look if you go into a shop you want service and its the same here on ebay.

look just the other day ,now forget about who was the buyer ,thats another story,but what in the hell would you place something that was worth $350 in an envelope with a stamp on it ,if you only allowed that amount for postage add a few extra dollars and parcel it or register it ,[common sence] its not worth the hassel wit posible problems.

look if auspost does not serve you well enough go ellsewear  [but you dont have a choice if its envelopes, simple 

would you put money on me in a spelling contest    [no]   you would back the other person  mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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I only sell for half the year and now my listings for this session have all finished unless one of the two oe three who haven't received their parcels yet complain I have had fewer unpaid item disputes that hacen't resulted in a payment, only 2 across three ids and I have not had one dispute opened . I can only comment on my experiences but those show no pattern of escalation since the MBG or the defdct system were introduced.

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I've only been on eBay since 2008, my first foray into selling was 2009, and my store was opened late 2011, so I missed the early years. PayPal was mandatory when I started, so buyer protection was in play, and buyers couldn't get negative feedback, but I do feel that eBay is a different environment, and not necessarily because of the MBG, but that it has been a slow change.

 

You can see the difference most glaringly when you ask people who operate online businesses elsewhere, either via third party sites or their own websites. If you ask them how many INRs, returns, abusive / demanding / unreasonable buyers they experience compared to eBay, the ratio of poor experiences is always in favour of eBay. Many will actually tell you they've experienced nothing via other sites but plenty via eBay, which does suggest it's an eBay problem (well, there is some other problematic sites, ones with similar policies, and who eBay kinda look up to and copy). 

 

The thing is, up until the last couple of months, I considered myself extremely lucky to have never experienced any of the behaviour I see spoken about on the boards. I don't know if it's the MBG or not, but up until Christmas last year, I had almost nothing but great experiences, wonderful buyers, people would nearly always contact me, and in fact I only ever had a couple who didn't. There were some I accepted as reasonable (neutrals that were fair because of the problem, but also otherwise complimentary), and a couple that were completely leftfield (a neg for INR - first I heard about it, so that's always been happening - and a neg that was removed because the buyer thought the item they bought was a different colour than it was described, who knows if eBay would remove such a neg these days). All in all, though, I never had a single PayPal dispute opened against me, nor a problem I didn't resolve to the buyer's satisfaction.

 

But, as I said, since Christmas, and a couple of months after the MBG, I have experienced the following:

 

  • INR request, accompanied with a message that suggested I didn't bother to send the item or let them know.
  • 4 neutrals, 2 of which are for things the buyer would have known if they read the description, 1 that is unfathomable because there was no contact from the buyer and the entire comment is just a single dot, and one that was essentially buyer error.
  • One buyer who started messaging me daily to tell me how much my service sucked because they didn't get their item in a couple of days, and how upset they were about not getting the item. After 5 days of that, I gave up trying to communicate with them and refunded, suddenly they weren't upset they didn't receive the item or that I wasn't going to resend, then they just started messaging me about when they'd get the refund (already issued). 
  • One INAD request, buyer complained that one of my handmade products wasn't made from the materials they thought, in fact were highly insulting in their message, but the problem there was - the item was exactly as described, they just didn't read the description. However, they also claimed it broke, so I had no other choice but to accept their request and pay for the return postage
  • And one buyer who did contact me, but their main message was to let me know if they weren't satisfied with the outcome, negative feedback would be left.

 

The last buyer I mentioned was in actual fact, wonderful. When I responded, in a nutshell I told them a couple of things about how I handle transaction issues, and that feedback doesn't influence that. Their responses to me showed that the original attitude was the end result of too many bad experiences where they have approached sellers and probably not gotten any result - I resolved the problem for them, and we finished the transaction in good spirits. 

 

That leads me to wonder if changing seller attitudes contribute to things like this as well, like a vicious cycle. I know I was feeling pretty defeated by the time I got the message from that last buyer, and as a result my response was worded a little more strongly that it might normally have been (they were very apologetic, though, so I felt immediately guilty... Smiley Embarassed ) I have always believed that there are a lot of sellers who have contributed to the belief negs have so much power. Everywhere you look there are descriptions that reinforce the idea that negs and low star ratings are one of a sellers biggest fears, so it's little wonder to me that buyers believe it has that power. I understand it can feel like a double-edged sword, all of us have had defects from people who just don't understand their impact, and wouldn't have left one if they did know, but I think a lot of the attempts to educate highlight the wrong thing. 

 

The MBG, and the defect system, has inevitably effected change for sellers, too. I believe that the more we fear buyers (or more specifically, their potential actions), the more they'll distance themselves from us and just go straight to the request system, or feedback. And, of course, it's getting harder and harder to try and bridge that gap, so the cycle goes on. 

 

I do blame eBay and, to a lesser extent, PayPal for a lot of this. It serves both of them to undermine their member's credibility so that they look like the greatest service ever for fixing the buyer's problem - eBay and PayPal want buyers to trust them. The MBG banners are on every page, I use adblock and I still can't escape them unless I add them to the list on specific pages. So, everywhere you look, you see eBay telling buyers "we'll help you", with the underlying message 'cos when something goes wrong, your seller probably won't'. In other words, everywhere on the site there are banners telling buyers that tranactions are problematic. 

 

Why not use TRS to show buyers something more like "we have amazing sellers, you probably won't experience a problem, but if you do, we know they'll look after you" *

 

*and if by some chance they don't, help is available

 

 

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I agree with you that Ebay is responsible for giving us all a bad name & the thing they don't realise is that what they're actually saying to the Public is that "We are a dangerous place to buy" & so Buyers, when they come here, are already on the defensive.

 

Only yesterday I supplied a VERY large Quote to someone & thankfully I won it, but only after I had to convince his Wife (who openly & jokingly calling herself "The Boss") that I was GENUINE & that they could trust me after they handed over such a large sum of money.

 

Her exact words were "Please don't take offense but I'm a little weary because Ebay has such a bad name these days" - What could I say??? I asked where she heard that & she told me that that's ALL she hears about these days.

 

I referred her to my Feedback but she had no confidence in that & I could understand the way she felt as in my own opinion there is NOTHING about Ebay that instils confidence in ME either.

 

Thankfully in the end she has decided to trust me but now I'm praying that Aust. Post won't loose the damned package or something as that will just be the living end.....

 

How BL**DY CRAZY has this thing called Ebay become??? When BOTH Buyers & Sellers don't trust it.... Will they EVER wake up to themselves???

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@hamsy3 wrote:

 

I agree with you that Ebay is responsible for giving us all a bad name & the thing they don't realise is that what they're actually saying to the Public is that "We are a dangerous place to buy" & so Buyers, when they come here, are already on the defensive.

 

Only yesterday I supplied a VERY large Quote to someone & thankfully I won it, but only after I had to convince his Wife (who openly & jokingly calling herself "The Boss") that I was GENUINE & that they could trust me after they handed over such a large sum of money.

 

Her exact words were "Please don't take offense but I'm a little weary because Ebay has such a bad name these days" - What could I say??? I asked where she heard that & she told me that that's ALL she hears about these days.

 

I referred her to my Feedback but she had no confidence in that & I could understand the way she felt as in my own opinion there is NOTHING about Ebay that instils confidence in ME either.

 

Thankfully in the end she has decided to trust me but now I'm praying that Aust. Post won't loose the damned package or something as that will just be the living end.....

 

How BL**DY CRAZY has this thing called Ebay become??? When BOTH Buyers & Sellers don't trust it.... Will they EVER wake up to themselves???


I agree! I stated on another thread the other day that the general public do not distinguish from sellers or buyers when hearing bad experiences, it just gets lumped together! I had to speak with Australia Post a couple of weeks ago about a parcel, and the customer rep was very understanding when I mentioned I was overly concerned now with eBay transactions, she basically told me that they are getting more and more 'lost' or 'damaged' items. Postal staff, couriers, friends and family etc.. all hear these stories and by the time the story is told a few times, all the message becomes is :eBay is full of scammers and you are likely to have a bad experience".

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All ebay need to do is actively remove dodgy sellers and buyers rather than create automated policies. What I don't think they get is a lot of the big stores that they are promoting are not actually delivering the service that they promise. For some reason ebay think they can throw out the rule book.

 

I wasn't around when ebay first started but I think they did a "big one" in their own nest. They are loosing market share for a reason, and they do nothing except for creating silly policies that essentialy do nothing, beacause they sit on their hand when they have a big retailer on the doorstep.

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I posted (lodged over the counter) the day after payment, as payment was received at night. Tracking confirms this. Yet because it took AP 6 days to deliver to W.A. buyer leaves a low 1 DSR for delivery, left good feedback, but geeez!
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Well said digi

 

I too have always been very lucky with my buyers, even since the MBG came in to play.  I've only ever had one case opened against me for INR in Russia, which turned up 2 days later and I had been advsiing buyer of Tracking info all along the way.

 

 

Their responses to me showed that the original attitude was the end result of too many bad experiences where they have approached sellers and probably not gotten any result

 

That leads me to wonder if changing seller attitudes contribute to things like this as well, like a vicious cycle.

I have always believed that there are a lot of sellers who have contributed to the belief negs have so much power.

 

All so true

 

 

Why not use TRS to show buyers something more like "we have amazing sellers, you probably won't experience a problem, but if you do, we know they'll look after you" *

 

*and if by some chance they don't, help is available

 

Absolutely brilliant idea, love it and it puts a refreshing, confidence boosting image across to the buyer as opposed to them seeing negative, what should be last resort measures, around an issue as they do at the moment - as you mentioned, everywhere you click these days, even when you go to leave Feedback (as a buyer) there are options like  - Return this Item -

 

 

 

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"even when you go to leave Feedback (as a buyer) there are options like  - Return this Item -"

 

Interestingly enough, ebay may actually be listening to us!

 

On my homepage, under 'purchased items', to the right of each item is a big blue button that used to read 'leave feedback', then mysteriously changed to 'return this item'.

 

However, items purchased since mid-March have returned to 'leave feedback'!   So instead of prompting me to return the item, it's prompting me to leave feedback!

 

Halle*bleepy* lujah!  Wonder how long it will last, though?

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I think it changes if the seller leaves feedback.

 

Why bother trying to give great service when I get 4 defects from a customer because it took Australia Post 2 weeks to deliver an order within Queensland. I contacted the buyer about it and said it is out of my control and they didn't even bother replying. I get more and more messages like "I need this by the weekend" also, should I just cancel and tell them to go f off, I have express post if it is that urgent. Basically I worry about the order not arriving in time and then becasue of ebays "policies" I get all the rest of it.

 

I think ebay are creating spoilt brats. Most customers are wonderfull but there a few that need a bit of schooliing.

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