Postage and people complaining about cost

It been really eye opening reading so many people complaining about postage costs. The thing that gets me there must be alot of sellers running business like selling but NOT abn registered. If they were your postage is FREE no matter what it costs. As all postage costs are a tax write off for business. Just something to think about
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Do you really think postage is 'FREE' to your business, no matter what the cost? That just doesn't make any sense.

 

Let's keep it simple for those playing along at home:

 

You, as an eBay business, purchase an item for $100. You sell it for $200 with local pickup (ie no postage costs). As a business you have made $100 profit. Tax liability is 30% of the $100, leaving you with $70 left in your bank account.

 

If you sell the same item to someone else who has it delivered, you offer 'free' postage (but the actual postage cost to your business is $20) then you have made a profit of $80. Tax liability is 30% of $80, leaving you with $56 left in your bank account.

 

As a business, would you prefer $70 or $56 in your bank account, before other expenses?

 

It doesn't matter where in the equation you show the expenditure for postage, it still reduces the profit on each item. 

 

If we include GST, profit will be reduced by 1/11th in both scenarios. Also, as a business, other expenses such as rent, electricity, staff costs etc will further reduce reduce the amount of tax you need to pay.

 

Technically the 30% tax rate is applied to your business profits after all expenses are applied, but you will still have $14 extra left in your company bank account after the financial year if you don't have to pay for postage on the above scenario.

 

Obviously if the buyer pays postage then none of this matters (regardless if you are a business seller or private individual), but this is not the point of this thread. It is whether a business is getting 'FREE' postage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Everybody leave him alone.

 

I really like his point about not being obliged to pay GST on the FVF charged on postage "because you have already paid GST on the postage".

 

Since I sell postage stamps upon which GST has already been paid, it means that ALL of my FVFs should be GST-free, and not just the popstage-element.

 

This is a great idea.

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@silver-fox-bullion wrote:
It been really eye opening reading so many people complaining about postage costs. The thing that gets me there must be alot of sellers running business like selling but NOT abn registered. If they were your postage is FREE no matter what it costs. As all postage costs are a tax write off for business. Just something to think about

I,m not happy about postage costs, because while I may be able to claim them as a tax deduction, many of my buyers can not. It pushes up the cost of items to buyers. Not such a biggy to people who only sell in Australia, but it can be a killer for international sales. With the international large letter service being completely mangled due to COVID, the cheapest I can send a small item overseas for is $25 and if it weighs a bit over 500 grams its going to cost my buyer $45 - $60

 

My average item price is around $35, so that means it can easily cost the international buyer $80 delivered. Add to this delivery times of 6-10 weeks and its killing international sales. COVID has been around for more than six months now. Its time to get international air freight services going again and stop with the excuses. 

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Joztamps we are also looking into that as there a number of products that are sold on ebay that are gst free under gst laws but are being charged gst on their sale
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@silver-fox-bullion wrote:
Joztamps we are also looking into that as there a number of products that are sold on ebay that are gst free under gst laws but are being charged gst on their sale

eBay charge GST on their FEES, not the goods, not the postage, but their FEES. Which they are legally required to do.

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This doesn't make sense also.

 

Bottled water is GST exempt. If I sell a bottle of water on eBay, where is GST charged on the water?

 

eBay provide the website, and all the backend that supports this (servers, programers, staff, advertising etc). They charge you a fee for this service, around 10.9% of the sale price. This fee has a GST component, not the bottled water.

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@silver-fox-bullion wrote:
I see it went click re the free postage. Now back to the 1st post it eye opening the amount of people moaning about postage costs when if they were doing things above board there no cost

I'm not an accountant but I understand the bit about how businesses can claim certain expenses as tax deductions.

 

However, the bit I am finding a bit off putting is the assumption that if sellers are not doing this, they are not above board.

 

There must be thousands of people on ebay who have maybe sold a few things here and there, but on a very small scale, not a business scale. So they don't need a shop, they don't need to declare the income. The cost of postage does need to be taken into consideration when they list an item, it's not a write off for them. Why do you think  small, casual sellers are not above board?

 

It wouldn't just be sellers moaning about postage costs either. In my time, I've seen a lot of posts from buyers complaining about it. Maybe more from buyers than sellers.

 

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joz15au
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Yes, there would be a number of sellers who sell well below the tax free threshold of $18,200, or pensioners who sell up to the $160 or so each fortnight that they are allowed to earn on top of their pension. Tax deductions don't mean much to someone who doesn't earn enough to pay tax, it doesn't mean they are dodgy in any way. Postage, packing materials etc would just be an added cost for them.
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I thought you could not sell gold on ebay anymore? or is that only with to MP?

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 Everyone is under that impression. They are also under the impression that everyone will be going to MP. Both are incorrect statement's that these members have been posting. To answer you yes you can still sell anything on ebay that falls into the grey area of MP. These sellers will not be moving to MP they will be staying with pay pal. Gold is NOT the only effected area that will not be going on MP

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