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25-06-2018
03:17 PM
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25-06-2018
03:55 PM
by
kh-jean
Can we show a buyer who asked for full refund because item was not delivered by regular postage?
I had lots of refund like that, so I just do the refund, but I never got a feedback from them, so I asumed that they are getting items for free and we can do nothing about it. We are loosing not item only, also time and expenses.
!!!!! and the buyer who is laiyng that the item was not delivered!!!!! get's it all for free !!!!!
NOT FAIR
I just read on the eBay blog, even with a tracking number if package is left front at the door, buyer can ask for refund because there is not proof that they got the item.
So eBay always give the favor to the buyer as we are only workers for eBay. Wanna sell? Pay for it!
I can also say that I realy have GREAT CUSTOMERS who realy care by giving feedback talking to me, which I very appreciate, but we need to do something about the one wrondoing, because the good once paying more for hese bad once as we need to increase prices and postage also.
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on 26-06-2018 02:32 PM
God I wish there were no scammers out there., so sellers didn't need to include registered post.
And God I wish that all sellers out there would WARN buyers if they were using registered post.
As a buyer these days I pretty much have to ask in advance what Oz sellers mean by 'standard delivery' - ie ordinary mail, tracking, registered/signed for, no safe drop, even couriers...WHAT exactly do you mean???? For goodness sake say so.
I am not and have never been a scammer but they seem to be on the increase to judge by the comments. I am however housebound but unable to get to the door in time to sign for a delivery, and I can no longer drive to the post office to collect said item.
I am grateful to sellers who spell out if an item will be sent registered or whatever, but I am even more grateful to sellers who allow for buyers in my situation and are prepared to be more flexible. They are GOLD.
But I am getting tired of the whole palaver of messages sent back and forth, which would be so unnecessary if the listings spelled out a seller's true posting intentions.
on 26-06-2018 03:34 PM
26-06-2018 03:56 PM - edited 26-06-2018 03:57 PM
I so wish I could give you 10 kudos for this post
26-06-2018 10:37 PM - edited 26-06-2018 10:39 PM
Thanks - that's very kind of you.
Registered Post was often problematical even when I more mobile (full time job meant I didn't get home until after the post office was closed, or if I left work early there would be no parking anyway, then on Saturday mornings the PO queue would stretch from the counter to outside the shop and beyond. With my arthritis I had no hope of standing that long).
Now it's impossible. I have a Word doc of various ways to ask about postage so I can just copy and paste, plus I have various delivery instructions for those companies/sellers I've dealt with before who will safe drop. But of course there's always someone new to clarify their postal policies before I buy anything.
I also add notes to my saved sellers list.
= Those who require a separate eBay message about safe drop as well as one in the payment messages, those who safe drop as a matter of course, or state registered post but are prepared to make an exception for me.
= And I also include those who will NOT safe drop under any circumstances (so I know not to order from them) and those who insist on registered post on eBay but will allow safe drop on their own websites (I'm not kidding on that one).
It sucks to be so decrepit with what has turned out to be a genetic based illness for which there is no cure (...and there's the arthritis of course). It's ironic that I am home all the time...but regrettably I can't quite get to the door at the speed of light. 🙂
That's why I really NEED to know what kind of postage service sellers are using.
on 26-06-2018 11:29 PM
@zanadoo_56 wrote:
Thanks - that's very kind of you.
Registered Post was often problematical even when I more mobile (full time job meant I didn't get home until after the post office was closed, or if I left work early there would be no parking anyway, then on Saturday mornings the PO queue would stretch from the counter to outside the shop and beyond. With my arthritis I had no hope of standing that long).
Now it's impossible. I have a Word doc of various ways to ask about postage so I can just copy and paste, plus I have various delivery instructions for those companies/sellers I've dealt with before who will safe drop. But of course there's always someone new to clarify their postal policies before I buy anything.
I also add notes to my saved sellers list.
= Those who require a separate eBay message about safe drop as well as one in the payment messages, those who safe drop as a matter of course, or state registered post but are prepared to make an exception for me.
= And I also include those who will NOT safe drop under any circumstances (so I know not to order from them) and those who insist on registered post on eBay but will allow safe drop on their own websites (I'm not kidding on that one).
It sucks to be so decrepit with what has turned out to be a genetic based illness for which there is no cure (...and there's the arthritis of course). It's ironic that I am home all the time...but regrettably I can't quite get to the door at the speed of light. 🙂
That's why I really NEED to know what kind of postage service sellers are using.
Only ebay require proof of delivery. Anyone selling on their own website doesn't need to insist on registered post because they only require proof of posting under paypal's rules. I can understand people insisting on reg'd post on ebay for higher priced items but not on other sites.
I can understand your problem but from a seller's point of view, how do they know you're not setting them up to scam them? Buyer feedback really isn't much help to a seller and they have no way of knowing how trustworthy you are or how safe it is to have parcels left at your place.
on 27-06-2018 06:07 AM
There are many people who can't be home to sign for a parcel. Not only those who are diabled, but those who work hours that don't allow them to get a to a post office within working hours (and many POs are not open Saturdays). I work away from home and I have an arrangement with the PO that they sign for my parcels and leave them at my door, but that means having to trust your posty which some people don't want to do. I can't have parcels delivered at work out in the bush.
There is no way I can be home to meet couriers, or to travel an hour during work hours to their depot and back again. I hate it when sellers don't tell people that they will be using a courier or signed service.
There has to be some way for Ebay to work around the trust issue
27-06-2018 09:57 AM - edited 27-06-2018 09:59 AM
@maranock wrote:There are many people who can't be home to sign for a parcel. Not only those who are diabled, but those who work hours that don't allow them to get a to a post office within working hours (and many POs are not open Saturdays). I work away from home and I have an arrangement with the PO that they sign for my parcels and leave them at my door, but that means having to trust your posty which some people don't want to do. I can't have parcels delivered at work out in the bush.
There is no way I can be home to meet couriers, or to travel an hour during work hours to their depot and back again. I hate it when sellers don't tell people that they will be using a courier or signed service.
There has to be some way for Ebay to work around the trust issue
It's not necessarily a trust issue, per se, at least not all the time.
When someone buys from me, I have no idea what their personal situation is, how likely it is that someone will be home to sign for a parcel, how inconvenient it might be if I add signature required and no one is home, or where a parcel could be safe dropped if no one is home and potentially leaving it exposed either to elements, passers-by etc
The most I can do is google an address and maybe see a picture of the property, which - aside from feeling a bit voyeuristic - won't tell me much besides whether or not the address looks like it isn't easily accessible to the random public (if the pic is even recent, some of them are several years old).
It isn't just fraud that I'm thinking about when I add SOD to a package, it's keeping the package as safe as possible until it's in the hands of someone at the address I sent it to, and safe from people who may help themselves to it if it's just sitting on the porch at an unattended property. I'm acutely aware SOD can be inconvenient for a buyer, but I'm also aware of the expectation the vast majority of them have of getting their item, or getting a refund. There's a thread here now where the parcel was tracked as delivered to the buyer but they're claiming non-receipt and demanding a refund. For me, however, the (potential) inconvenience of having to collect a parcel at the post office is nowhere near the inconvenience of having to deal with a situation where an expensive package was stolen after delivery and the buyer is looking at me for refund / replacement.
The trust issue is a serious one, though. Last year, there was an article that claimed "friendly fraud" had increased by 80% in the last couple of years. (Friendly fraud is the name being given to online fraud involving credit card chargebacks, especially the "unauthorised" ones that were definitely authorised at the time the purchase was made. How it got the name "friendly" I do not know).
But, if that's true, that means this type of fraud has nearly doubled in just a couple of years, with no new legislation even on the distant horizon to try and curb it, just a lot of sellers who are starting to have a gut full of getting that notification and grizzling over the blatant disregard the banks (or eBay) have for them (and yes, the article was Australian).
I always assume my buyers purchase with the best of intentions - I have to, given that the majority of packages I send are large letters, so I would be a wreck of a seller if I didn't But at the same time, I will only trust someone unreservedly if we have built a relationship over time, and even then, I'm still aware that it can all go to pieces in an instant (I have hand long-term buyers just suddenly decide it's time to try and scam me).
27-06-2018 02:43 PM - edited 27-06-2018 02:46 PM
Only ebay require proof of delivery. Anyone selling on their own website doesn't need to insist on registered post because they only require proof of posting under paypal's rules. I can understand people insisting on reg'd post on ebay for higher priced items but not on other sites.
I can understand your problem but from a seller's point of view, how do they know you're not setting them up to scam them? Buyer feedback really isn't much help to a seller and they have no way of knowing how trustworthy you are or how safe it is to have parcels left at your place.
Since not all sellers bother with proof of delivery - registered post (or even tracking) - it must be a rule not necessarily set in stone. But those that do insist and especially if the item is of low value, it can be frustrating for buyers.
How do they know I'm not going to scam them? Ha. How do I know the seller isn't a crook who intends to send me something below par or not send anything at all? Both sides take a punt at every transaction and there is NO foolproof method to guarantee all will go well. Certainly not SOD where anyone can sign for a parcel or claim the signature was forged.
As for buyer feedback not being much help, I beg to differ. Read mine. Sellers may have to give out the green dots, but I doubt they are forced to write the glowing text comments as well. They could say very little....or nothing. And repeat orders might also hint (one hopes) that sellers are comfortable selling to that person again and again. It may also be that the buyer has integrity and has made provision for a very suitable safe drop place for parcels.
It is hard to answer what seems to be a growing seller paranoia about bad buyers, that sellers are not prepared to be accommodating with a proven good buyer, but somewhere somehow there needs to be flexibility in deliveries. The point of online buying is convenience, whether you are time poor, stuck in the office, or illness means delivery is the ONLY option. More restrictive practices concerning delivery cannot be good for sales as buyers like me have no choice but to look elsewhere. And when I say elsewhere that can easily mean off eBay.
27-06-2018 04:53 PM - edited 27-06-2018 04:55 PM
There's nothing in your first 200 feedback that'd make me trust you more than any other buyer, except for the two comments that mention repeat buyer - but even scammers have good feedback and don't scam the sellers they know they'll need to buy from again.
I'm sorry but I can't see the glowing comments that you refer to. Most of the comments are the sort of comments a lot of sellers automatically leave for everyone. I'd bet if you go through your sellers' feedback left for others that they make the same comments for all their buyers. A lot of my buyers have heaps of similar comments and they never do anything except buy & pay. A lot of sellers have always done this, perhaps in the hope that it'll make the buyers want to come back and buy more, but all it does is make other sellers wonder how much of it's true and how much is just hype.
For example, what does "quick response and fast payment" mean? Quick response to what? There's nothing to respond to! I've seen this comment left thousands of times for buyers who simply buy and pay, and much of the time they have no choice but to pay immediately anyway.
Except for the two comments with the word repeat in them, there's no obvious indication that you're a repeat buyer with any of your sellers, unless you think potential sellers should scroll through your feedback and take note of all the seller names to see whether you've bought from them more than once. I'm not desperate enough for sales that I'm going to spend half an hour checking out a buyer when I can sell the item to someone else without that hassle.
on 27-06-2018 05:24 PM
Wow, you're tough on potential customers.
I guess I would not have a sympathetic hearing from you either. I am in a similar situation to zanado with regards to taking delivery of parcels but I choose to keep my feedback Private.