Some buyers are absolute grubs.

cq_tech
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What is it with some buyers lately? It's reached the stage where I'd sooner they didn't leave me any feedback at all because you just never know what to expect any more. I received feedback today from a buyer whose item was posted the very same day it was ordered, and there was absolutely no communication between us either, yet my DSRs for Postage Time and Communications which were both sitting on 5.0 have now dropped to 4.9, and I'm pretty bloody angry about it.

 

I even make a point these days of letting the buyer know in my feedback to them exactly when I post their items, and he bought it on the morning of Tuesday, October 21, and as I stated in my feedback to him, it was posted on 21/10 as well. So what sort of mongrel would he be to then score me low on my postage DSRs? Same with Comms. In fact, I thought if there was no communication between parties, it was an automatic 5, but clearly that's not so because he hit those as well.

 

I really feel like leaving a follow-up to my original feedback, as well as a reply to his feedback, asking him why he'd do such a nasty thing, and naming him so that other sellers can decide whether or not to block him. Fortunately there were no defects recorded, but would it be worth contacting eBay and requesting them to change my DSRs back to 5 on the basis that I provided same-day postage and no communication, yet he marked both of them low regardless?

 

This has left a really nasty taste in my mouth and as I said in my opening paragraph, I'd sooner not receive any feedback at all because I simply don't trust my buyers any more. Maybe the time has come to pull the plug and find something a bit more enjoyable to do, as eBay has really gone downhill and there's simply no pleasure in selling here any more.

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Some buyers are absolute grubs.

This has happeded to me many times, with communication and postage time. I always either post same day or the next day depending on what time an item sells. I don't understand either, I think some people see postage time and think of the length of time it has taken since they paid for it until they get it in their hands. Ebay really needs to clarify and word that better.

 

Also communication, I really don't know what people want. I use to send an email to buyers after they paid but I personally find that annoy as a buyer. I often get messages from sellers about nothing really after I have paid for something and it's annoying and I know some of my family and friends who buy from Ebay feel the same.

 

I really just don't know what is the best thing to do with communication or postage time for those who misread it. But it's all not bad the sun is shining and I think I will walk to the post office today! Better Luck in the future!

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ch_tech, 

after reading your post I am not surprised that yout lower stars even for communication!

Obviously, your buyer - once he/she got going on the stars - they just kept going in the same manner - without rhyme or reason.

Don't know much about the stars - but can any buyer be challenged about them - made to explain just how did they think a seller deserves less than what is recorded somewhere in black & white - or not recorded in case of no communication.

 

And speaking of communication - what on Earth is the problem of so many people who shop on Ebay?

So many times I read how buyers whinge about "too much communication" and "all I want is to buy something and few days later receive it - no diatribe in between"

What a shame - they actually have to go to the trouble of reading a message telling them thank you and your item was posted, and come again, ... and whatever else relevant to the transaction.

And, Gofd forbid... even are made to respond in some way, like thank you for letting me know!

I shop quite a lot online (very time poor, and there's no easy parking in the city) - and this happens only on Ebay.

Buyers seem to hate everything:

no communication

too much communication

being a bit late in posting stuff (big deal!, especially if no deadline indicated by the buyer)

and the poor sellers are damned if they do and damned if they don't.

Total disgrace.

I wander weather those people mind, when shopping in the real store if no one gave them a time of day, and didn't even say thank you  after they pay.

I most certainly would. 

I'm so totally sure that the places, weather online or in real life that are most successful are those that communicate with their customers! I tend to remeber them (and I can't be that diferent from any other shopper) much better and go back again and agin - as they made me feel nice! Remember that for much longer time than the item I bought of them.

Sellers, don't worry about the auto 5 stars for NOT talking to your customers - that doesn't even make sense - just write what you want to write - and for those who mind getting your messages - tough bikkies! They'll get over it!

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Don't know much about the stars - but can any buyer be challenged about them - made to explain just how did they think a seller deserves less than what is recorded somewhere in black & white - or not recorded in case of no communication.

 

No, the buyer cannot be challenged for the star ratings they leave. That is against eBay policy.

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I think things would be a whole lot simpler for buyers & sellers alike if eBay changed the dsr ratings to just two stars:

 

 

Rate details about this purchase, please select one

 

โ˜… this seller sucks & should **bleep** off and die (defect)

โ˜…โ˜… wateva, I spose they can stick around a bit longer (no defect)

 

 

 

Okay, so a bit extreme I know, but the point is it should be simplified and made very clear to buyers just what impact their rating may have on the seller, as many (understandably) think a 3/5 is a pass or at worst a neutral, since like us they'be been taught just that all through school.

 

It's unfortunate that the 'geniuses' at eBay appear to have been recruited direct out of kindie and don't know what neutral means or what a pass mark looks like.

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Btw cq, you have my sincerest sympathies for what happened to you.

 

You're right, some buyers are grubs. I'd go further and say it's more that some people are grubs.

 

I've found in my experience that there are two types of people, there are jerks and there are those that aren't. Doesn't matter about race, religion, politics, whatever...jerks are jerks, and the rest aren't.

 

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am*3 thank you for clearing that up. Ebay's policy.

However, that wouldn't stop me in asking for clarification how:

if item is posted on time, the cost of the postage is exact

 as it should be and tracking number is in the listing

ther "opinion" is that it merits only 3 stars. Opinions don't count for anything in the face of facts! All documented in black and white.

Ebay's policy - if indeed that is the policy,  is strange as they go to all the trouble to disclose to sellers who left what stars - and  I do read all the time on the boards that sellers ask their buyers why did they give them low stars for no good reason.

But someone telling me I am not allowed to question a buyer about such unjust or even malicious activity would inspire me to make a point of asking anyone anything that in my opinion  requires an explanation.

In fact, I would do more than that - report them to Ebay as well, let them explain to me exactly how a bunch of bona fide facts can be 

morphed into an "opinion"

It's like saying: today is Friday (a fact), but in my opinion it's Tuesday!

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@fixnwear wrote:

 let them explain to me exactly how a bunch of bona fide facts can be morphed into an "opinion"

It's like saying: today is Friday (a fact), but in my opinion it's Tuesday!


And someone from eBay will read this four days from now and post a reply informing you that your opinion is in fact correct. That's called eBay logicSmiley Wink

 

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@modestbods wrote:

@fixnwear wrote:

 let them explain to me exactly how a bunch of bona fide facts can be morphed into an "opinion"

It's like saying: today is Friday (a fact), but in my opinion it's Tuesday!


And someone from eBay will read this four days from now and post a reply informing you that your opinion is in fact correct. That's called eBay logicSmiley Wink

 


That's just it - in real terms, eBay is the one that needs to be challenged on this, as they are the ones who have created a system that means a seller is "defected" if the buyer has a less than perfect opinion of their transaction, without going to any lengths whatsoever to even try and make sure that opinion is an informed one.

 

DSRs, as I have oft been seen to say ๐Ÿ˜„ , are fine as a general overview of buyer opinion, but buyer opinion never has (and never will) be equal to tangible evidence of poor seller performance, so it should not be treated as such.

 

eBay justify their defect system by saying that their stats show buyers are less likely to come back to eBay and continue to purchase if they have a transaction they leave 3 stars for (for description). It is a very small mind indeed that decided if a buyer doesn't come back to buy again because they weren't 100% over the moon with their item, it's obviously the seller's fault and they must be whacked with a stick. 

 

Dear, dear eBay... A lot of the time when someone says "I'm never buying from you again!", the seller doesn't shed a tear over something that's such a great loss they don't know how they will recover, they breathe a sigh of relief, after taking a moment to stretch out their back from bending it over backwards. (And I recognise that it just may be that's what eBay do when a seller states they'll never use eBay again...except for the back thing, pretty sure eBay don't bend that way).

 

I also love how the new MBG guarantee and defect thing-y works, with the messaging / request thing causing a defect, and how eBay introduced a 'neutral' subject for buyers to select when they contact a seller so that they don't (and here I quote eBay) "inadvertently cause a defect".

 

Pfft. Smiley Indifferent

 

I would venture to say that the vast majority of defects are inadvertent - the only ones that aren't are the ones where the buyer has a full understanding of the system and chooses to cause one. In all other cases, it is a side effect of trying to do something completely different, like communicate with the seller about a problem.

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Agreed.

 

In cq's case it's disturbing that the buyer is also a seller and so should have known better about scoring dsr's low.

 

 

The truly absurd thing is that if the buyer doesn't understand how dsrs actually work (which many don't) in a case like cq's where there in fact has been no communication between buyer & seller, the buyer is still required to score the dsr for comms (due to cq's listings not meeting the ridiculous criteria for an automatic dsr of 5 for comms, which is **bleep**ing BS imo).

 

A truthful buyer that knows no better & that shared no communications with the seller is understandably going to mark it as a 3/5 believing it's a neutral (ie. they feel they can't rate something they didn't experience either for or against). Yet the seller gets a defect for it, **bleep**??... a defect is deserved alright, not by the seller but by **bleep**ing ebay, since they're the morons that are defective in this.

 

 

@ cq & others, don't chance taking anymore BS hits for defects on comms like those. **bleep** worrying about if a buyer might be annoyed by you sending them a message or not & instead just send them the same generic message that I always send the same day I post their goods... 

 

 

Hi (insert name),

Thanks for your purchase & prompt payment.

The (item/s) is in todays post, and it should arrive to you by (insert day, or days >> eg. by either Tuesday or Wednesday).

Please let me know once it has arrived to you safely, either by messaging me through eBay or if you prefer by leaving me feedback (positive I hope :).


Kind regards,
(your name/ID)

 

I realize some of you are worried about bothering the buyer, or you find you yourself are annoyed at sellers sending messages, but **bleep**... look at that message. It's simple and very informative, letting the buyer know something they would reasonably want to know.

 

Seriously, it would take a very special kind of **bleep** retentive unreasonable **bleep**hole to get annoyed at that message, and tbh if you have a buyer that is like that, well... you're probably going to be **bleep**ed by them no matter what you do or don't do. 

 

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Reading your post, I feel a strong urge to go play Mad Libs. Smiley LOL Smiley Tongue (It's all the bleeps - although the bleeping words are kinda intuitive, the later at night it is, the more creative my intuition gets....but I digress).

 

Just to clarify - neither the communication nor postage cost DSR can result in a defect, no matter how low it is scored, so on those two fronts, sellers can relax a little. 

 

I used to feel quite strongly about sending all my buyers a quick message after a purchase, it was just a couple of lines thanking them for their purchase, providing a specific date for postage (even if same day) and to contact me if I can help with anything else (before or after the item arrives), but as my sales have increased, something had to go and even though I had a message template that I would just copy / paste, then fill in the relevant blanks for that particular buyer, it started to take too much time away from doing the other stuff, like making, packing and posting orders, so it's been a while since I practiced that. Pity eBay no longer have the bulk messaging system (I believe it's still accessable via eBay Singapore?)

 

Surprisingly, my communication DSR is still at a full 5, so it hasn't hurt me to stop doing that. Personally, judging by how buyers used to communicate with me when I did send that message, I think the main benefit of doing that these days is that around 75% of the time, if a buyer needed to let me know something, they'd reply to my message rather than use the 'Contact seller' option. 

 

I suggested ages ago, when I was still sending the messages, that eBay create a setting whereby the seller gets a liitle note letting them know the buyer has indicated they prefer no communication outside of the standard auto-updates, unless necessary (if they can do it for the HTML thing, that shouldn't be too hard. I assume, anyway Smiley LOL ), but in the absence of that, and considering the diversity of individual preferences, the only thing I can do is what I would prefer, rather than worry about what everyone else would prefer, which is a philosophy I apply to other areas, like how I account for and charge postage etc. Or something like that. It's late, tired and rambling... 

 

i need on o them night caps

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