When holiday settings turned on, should postage overdue appear on sales

When you have holiday settings turned on with a return date displayed, should sales made in between before you get back, show postage overdue notice from eBay?  If it shows overdue at my end, the customer would also see overdue?  I always wonder how many customers buy without reading the holiday away banner, and if they didn't see it, seeing the postage maked by eBay as overdue could make it worse.

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I can't do anything about other sellers who won't change delivery dates, or contact buyers advising them, as I do.  These negligent sellers have the ability to affect my sales by default - buyers not using eBay again if annoyed enough - and I have no control over those sellers. 

 

How is it significantly easier to suggest eBay introduce a new pop up box for sellers reminding them that the dates won't be changed (that most other sellers will just ignore, thereby still badly affecting the reputation of eBay and sellers?).  It would take the same resourses by eBay to put a new pop up box for buyers to notify them that they are buying from a seller who is away, would they like to proceed.  

 

I know this forum is not the place to complain, I only originally asked an innocent question here, and it has spiralled from that, so others are obviously concerned too.  I have already contacted eBay again via their help pages, and the help person I corresponded with agreed it is a concern, and is forwarding the suggestion to the correct department for consideration.  I am not holding my breath, but I will keep contacting them.  Improvements won't happen until enough feedback is received by them that improvement is needed.

 

 

Despite what you all say, I think eBay do listen, they keep making changes constantly, so you just need to get enough people to ask for a change for them to consider it.

 

Personally, I think keeping buyers happy and informed is important, without buyers we don't sell anything, but I don't know what the other issues are that you refer to. 

 

If there are other issues that concern you, make eBay aware of them.  Get other sellers to make eBay aware of them too.  You never know when they might listen.

 


Personally, I hope the changes you want NEVER happen!  You talk about keeping buyers happy, but how is clogging the site up with thousands of listings for items that aren't even available going to keep them happy?  It's bad enough having to wade through hundreds of duplicate items in some categories without having hundreds of items that aren't actually available to trawl through as well.  If ebay did what you're suggesting there'd be even more stores with their items on view while they're away, so it'd make the buyer experience worse than ever. 

 

Sometimes people need an item in the next few days, not next month, so they need to be able to view only the listings that are available for posting, not click on umpteen listings only to find they won't be posted promptly.  Frankly, I think when a shop is away but leaves their listings visible, all the other listings should be given priority.

 

I find it a real turn-off to click on something just to find the seller is away for the next month, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.  I'd never buy anything while the seller is away unless I wanted it REALLY badly, and even then I'd hesitate.  I think it's disrespectful to buyers to leave a store 'open' while a seller is away.  

 

You say you're often away because of illness.  What happens if it gets serious and you're away an extra month, or you die and there's nobody else who can fill orders?  If that happens you expect ebay to clean up the mess, not to mention that a lot of buyers wouldn't know they can get their money back so they'll be left out of pocket and turned off ebay forever.

 

You stated that you pay ebay fees and therefore you're entitled to have the site the way you want it.  What about what buyers are entitled to, or what they want?  What about what other sellers want?  Is it all about you and what you want?  Unless your fees are in the millions I'd say you're entitled to nothing except what you already get.

 

As for constantly complaining to ebay, all that does is tie up resources that they could be using to fix other things.  They don't have endless resources and have to make some sort of return for the site to continue in existence, and if we all rang all the time to complain they'd have to employ extra staff instead of spending the money on more important things.

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@needsome12vbasicswrote:

 

 

If there are other issues that concern you, make eBay aware of them.  Get other sellers to make eBay aware of them too.  You never know when they might listen.

 


As I said, I already do, and my biggest concern has already been added to the list of things for eBay AU's tech team to look at implementing. Sometime, anyway. Maybe never. (The other issues that affect sellers right now are related to instant payment required being implemented on listings without the seller activating it, and not being able to turn it off, problems with parcel locker / collect address and the lack of ability to block them like sellers can with PO boxes, cart issues that prevent purchase entirely, for no discernable reason, postage options only applying to one item in the cart when a buyer changes it, instead of all, resulting in the purchases being split into two separate orders with two separate payments, and two separate postage methods and costs, combined postage calculating incorrectly - I've seen things like $5 + $2 = $18, not being able to cancel one item out of a multiple item order, no longer being able to send an invoice to reset checkout when a buyer changes their mind about the payment method they want to use, requests only affecting one item out of a multiple item order and there being no way for buyers to open requests on the remaining items [I mean where they buy multiples of the same item in one purchase, not multiple different items]).

 

I know there are many others, but that's just off the top of my head.

 

Editing handling times may be a PITA, but at least the ability to do it is there, and I can't see it being more a PITA to do that than message every buyer who purchases, calling eBay about late shipment defects, or whatever else one has to do to try and deal with the fallout. 

 

The only other thing I want to say, or ask, rather, is what makes you so sure sellers would ignore it if advised their handling time - if left unchanged - may cause problems?

 

 

 

 

Sorry to hear that you have so many issues, we can all live in hope that eBay will help one day.  I hope you accept the following as genuinely trying to help, and apologise in advance if I have offered wrong or misunderstood the concern, as little information given.

 

May be able to help you on some items on your problem list at least - the instant payment requirement thingy, as that is something I encountered and fixed.  It is in the Business Policies section, go to each of your Payment Policies one at a time, and edit, scroll down to Safer Payment Methods, and in the middle of that section is has a check box to untick -  Require immediate payment when buyer uses Buy It Now.  If that is not ticked on all your Payment Policies, that one issue hopefully will be fixed.  

 

You are correct in assuming that parcel locker and PO addresses issues don't affect everyone, me included, as I only use Australia Post, so sorry, no advice able to offer on that issue - hopefully eBay will help soon.

 

Not sure if your cart issues are the same as what I encountered, but I have managed to work around the cart issues I had, that is why I have multiple postage policies.  It just means that if a buyer wants items from different postage policies, they make 2 or 3 purchases, so you get enough postage to post them all.   Having to send 2 or 3 parcels is better than being paid not enough to post them in a combined cart.It is a work around that works ok for me anyway.   Just more effort needed to create listings, and think of all possible scenarios. 

 

Never thought to look for a reset feature for checkout when buyers change mind, but there is a work around, a few times I have just had to cancel orders and ask the buyer to purchase again when they make a mistake or change the order.  As it is the Buyer's changing their mind, they have always been good with this work around.

 

Don't know about the multi item requests bit at all, never had that issue - yet....

 

Yes, we can edit handling times, the ability is there, but as already mentioned, eBay don't even have this written as something sellers should be doing when turning on holiday mode, if they did, then maybe there wouldn't be as many complaints about the postage dates issue.  And no, agreed, I don't know that all sellers would not be bothered to find the postage policies and change them all every time they go away, just my guess, especially considering the last time I needed to change a Postage Policy, I couldn't find them, and had to Google where they had been moved to.Smiley Tongue

 

 

 

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Personally, I hope the changes you want NEVER happen!  You talk about keeping buyers happy, but how is clogging the site up with thousands of listings for items that aren't even available going to keep them happy?  It's bad enough having to wade through hundreds of duplicate items in some categories without having hundreds of items that aren't actually available to trawl through as well.  If ebay did what you're suggesting there'd be even more stores with their items on view while they're away, so it'd make the buyer experience worse than ever. 

 

Sometimes people need an item in the next few days, not next month, so they need to be able to view only the listings that are available for posting, not click on umpteen listings only to find they won't be posted promptly.  Frankly, I think when a shop is away but leaves their listings visible, all the other listings should be given priority.

 

I find it a real turn-off to click on something just to find the seller is away for the next month, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.  I'd never buy anything while the seller is away unless I wanted it REALLY badly, and even then I'd hesitate.  I think it's disrespectful to buyers to leave a store 'open' while a seller is away.  

 

You say you're often away because of illness.  What happens if it gets serious and you're away an extra month, or you die and there's nobody else who can fill orders?  If that happens you expect ebay to clean up the mess, not to mention that a lot of buyers wouldn't know they can get their money back so they'll be left out of pocket and turned off ebay forever.

 

You stated that you pay ebay fees and therefore you're entitled to have the site the way you want it.  What about what buyers are entitled to, or what they want?  What about what other sellers want?  Is it all about you and what you want?  Unless your fees are in the millions I'd say you're entitled to nothing except what you already get.

 

As for constantly complaining to ebay, all that does is tie up resources that they could be using to fix other things.  They don't have endless resources and have to make some sort of return for the site to continue in existence, and if we all rang all the time to complain they'd have to employ extra staff instead of spending the money on more important things.



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There are some areas in this discussion that I think you may be confusing with other issues, but I apologize in advance if I have misunderstood anything you have stated, it is not my intention to upset you, just to clarify, and understand the real issue.

 

1.  The items in stores on holiday are available, they are not clogging up the site, they simply have a different delivery date to that stated by eBay (if the seller doesn't change the postage policy).

2.   The hundreds of dulpicated listings is a completely different issue  (that I totally agree is a right pain), but what can they do?

3.  Why do you say more stores will go away if the delivery dates issue is fixed?  And what difference would it make anyway, if the delivery dates are stated correct, no buyer will be confused, so they will be happy.  How is that making the buyer experience worse than ever?

4.  You don't need to put a store on holiday to extend your handling times, so wading through items that have long postage times has nothing to do with holiday mode.  Why should a listing that has 30 days handling time be given priority over a listing with store on holiday for 5 days?

5.  If it is disrespectful to have items available for sale while away with 7 or 10 days extra handling time, is it disrespectful to have items listed for sale with 30 day handling times?  Is there a difference?

6.  Illness - such an unpredictable thing, but so are car crashes, fires, bombs.... Anyone could die, whole families get killed in crashes, whole business get wiped out with bombs.  You don't have to have your store on holiday for dealth to affect it at any time, that is irrelevant, and there are simply too many what ifs.  I hope that I won't crash the car taking my husband to hospital, thereby killing us both at the same time.  If an item isn't delivered, eBay already have in place a claims proceedure and PayPal will readily refund money for undelivered items, and accounts with lots of defects get closed down.  So that is already looked after by eBay.

7.  I have never said I am entitled to anything just because I pay my fees, or that anything is just about what I want, not sure at all were you got that idea from.  In a perfect world, it would be nice to think that all issues with eBay are fixed, and everyone is happy.

8.  I don't feel my contacting them once a year could be called constantly, or has such a negative impact on their resources.  If everyone stopped contacting them altogether, they would never know what problems there were or fix anything.  They simple need everyone who has issues to let them know, and when enough people report a specific problem, they might fix it.

 

 

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Sorry to hear that you have so many issues, we can all live in hope that eBay will help one day.  I hope you accept the following as genuinely trying to help, and apologise in advance if I have offered wrong or misunderstood the concern, as little information given.


I do sincerely appreciate you taking the time to offer help, it's probably my fault as I was just trying to list off some common issues that are experienced by sellers in general, so didn't elaborate on them too much. I don't experience all of them, but have experienced a number of them at one point or another.

 

The immediate payment required issue is something eBay are doing which overrides whatever settings a seller has in place, and when they do it, unfortunately there's no way for the seller to undo it (the option itself will remain switched off on the seller's account settings). It doesn't always kick in, apparently, either, so some buyers will be forced into immediate payment with a parcticular seller, while others won't - if you've ever had buyers purchase multiple items individually, paying for each one separately with full postage on each when you offer combined discounts, there's a good chance the buyer was effectively forced to check out like that.

 

The parcel locker / collect issue is the one I have raised with eBay, but I actually do use Australia Post for all domestic packages and am happy to send to PO boxes. the issue with the lockers etc, is that they are more restrictive than PO boxes - while any package that can be sent via Aus Post can be sent to a PO box, unfortunately the same can not be said for locker / collect address. I send at least 100 large letters a week, and they can not be delivered to these addresses, it started to cause a lot of headaches with redirected and / or uncollected mail, INRs because the buyer's aren't notified the package is being held elsewhere and so they got returned to me after a few weeks. Some make it to the buyer ok, but I'd rather just eliminate the risk all together. 

 

I don't use business policies in my shop (my account is 10 years old, and some of the newer features tend to mess with things even more than the older features), so for postage I use 'Standard delivery' on everything, with options for registered and express. This ensures my postage discounts are applied automatically (when the cart or checkout is functioning properly), as eBay won't apply them on two items with different postage methods (eg if I had one with 'standard delivery' and one with 'Australia Post Parcel' my automated discounts don't get applied because ebay assumes they need to be posted via different services. That's what causes the split cart /  payment issues when a buyer changes an item in an order to express - the buyers presume it's a global quote covering all items they're buying because ebay shows them combined postage discounts are applying, so they don't switch any others and as a consequence they actually make two different orders even though they only check out once and pay once (PayPal splits the payments into 2). 

 

One of the problems eBay has as the moment is that the site is really a bit of a hodge podge of old and new  - there's so many different versions of the site delivering the same functions, that are co-existing - eg Selling Manager and Seller Hub, old postage, return and payment settings and the newer business policies, old store formats and the newer store formats, new postage options, regional blocks etc*. Anything new has to function in all versions that members have access to, and new features even on a fully functioning, uniform site, can break lots of other things, so in some cases I find workarounds preferable to any "fix" eBay might offer, and one of the reasons why I think an alert about handling times would make for a better solution at this point in time, and so I personally only hassle them over stuff that doesn't have a workaround and is causing a lot of trouble. 

 

It's easy for this to come across as apathy towards other problems sellers are experiencing, which is not my intention even though I was being a bit glib earlier. I do actually have empathy for sellers experiencing any eBay-caused problems, but I also am at the point where I've heard "we've escalated this issue to our tech team" so many times it's lost all meaning (or perhaps, I slowly realised it means nothing 😕 ), and also I would prioritise any issue in the same vein (i.e. no workarounds, lots of problems, regardless of whether I experience it as a seller). 

 

 

 

 

*This is actually what I asked eBay for - to make parcel locker / collect addresses a non-regional location, which is what they did with PO boxes, as I figured it was the simplest way to handle the problem without causing new problems. 

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Sorry to hear that you have so many issues, we can all live in hope that eBay will help one day.  I hope you accept the following as genuinely trying to help, and apologise in advance if I have offered wrong or misunderstood the concern, as little information given.


I do sincerely appreciate you taking the time to offer help, it's probably my fault as I was just trying to list off some common issues that are experienced by sellers in general, so didn't elaborate on them too much. I don't experience all of them, but have experienced a number of them at one point or another.

 

The immediate payment required issue is something eBay are doing which overrides whatever settings a seller has in place, and when they do it, unfortunately there's no way for the seller to undo it (the option itself will remain switched off on the seller's account settings). It doesn't always kick in, apparently, either, so some buyers will be forced into immediate payment with a parcticular seller, while others won't - if you've ever had buyers purchase multiple items individually, paying for each one separately with full postage on each when you offer combined discounts, there's a good chance the buyer was effectively forced to check out like that.

 

The parcel locker / collect issue is the one I have raised with eBay, but I actually do use Australia Post for all domestic packages and am happy to send to PO boxes. the issue with the lockers etc, is that they are more restrictive than PO boxes - while any package that can be sent via Aus Post can be sent to a PO box, unfortunately the same can not be said for locker / collect address. I send at least 100 large letters a week, and they can not be delivered to these addresses, it started to cause a lot of headaches with redirected and / or uncollected mail, INRs because the buyer's aren't notified the package is being held elsewhere and so they got returned to me after a few weeks. Some make it to the buyer ok, but I'd rather just eliminate the risk all together. 

 

I don't use business policies in my shop (my account is 10 years old, and some of the newer features tend to mess with things even more than the older features), so for postage I use 'Standard delivery' on everything, with options for registered and express. This ensures my postage discounts are applied automatically (when the cart or checkout is functioning properly), as eBay won't apply them on two items with different postage methods (eg if I had one with 'standard delivery' and one with 'Australia Post Parcel' my automated discounts don't get applied because ebay assumes they need to be posted via different services. That's what causes the split cart /  payment issues when a buyer changes an item in an order to express - the buyers presume it's a global quote covering all items they're buying because ebay shows them combined postage discounts are applying, so they don't switch any others and as a consequence they actually make two different orders even though they only check out once and pay once (PayPal splits the payments into 2). 

 

One of the problems eBay has as the moment is that the site is really a bit of a hodge podge of old and new  - there's so many different versions of the site delivering the same functions, that are co-existing - eg Selling Manager and Seller Hub, old postage, return and payment settings and the newer business policies, old store formats and the newer store formats, new postage options, regional blocks etc*. Anything new has to function in all versions that members have access to, and new features even on a fully functioning, uniform site, can break lots of other things, so in some cases I find workarounds preferable to any "fix" eBay might offer, and one of the reasons why I think an alert about handling times would make for a better solution at this point in time, and so I personally only hassle them over stuff that doesn't have a workaround and is causing a lot of trouble. 

 

It's easy for this to come across as apathy towards other problems sellers are experiencing, which is not my intention even though I was being a bit glib earlier. I do actually have empathy for sellers experiencing any eBay-caused problems, but I also am at the point where I've heard "we've escalated this issue to our tech team" so many times it's lost all meaning (or perhaps, I slowly realised it means nothing 😕 ), and also I would prioritise any issue in the same vein (i.e. no workarounds, lots of problems, regardless of whether I experience it as a seller). 

 

 

 

 

*This is actually what I asked eBay for - to make parcel locker / collect addresses a non-regional location, which is what they did with PO boxes, as I figured it was the simplest way to handle the problem without causing new problems. 


Hi,  A few things you said made me wonder.  May not be right, but it is worth considering.

 

You mention that you don't use business policies in your shop and your account is 10 years old.   You may need to check, I think you could have them anyway, and this might still be the source of some of your payment issues.

 

I am unable to list anything in my shop without selecting the payment and postage business policies, and I just logged into my personal account that I have had for 18 years (no shop) and even without knowing I created them, there are heaps of busines policies there, as it appears eBay automatically created one for each time I selected a different postage or payment method for a listing.

 

The other thing to think about, as you say, eBay are updating the whole site bit by bit, and rolling in the new bits as they are created, I would hazzard a guess that if a function is not working well in the old section that they would not bother fixing it anymore, as there are new roll outs already in place that are working (maybe/debatable).  So complaining may not help if it is about something in the old sections.   You may need to just bite the bullet and change to the new format.  I changed out of curiosity when it first came as it said I could change back at any time (still says I can change back to old version), but I don't want to change back, as I like the new one better than the old.  They are constantly changing things in it too, keep noticing new things, things moved or added.

 

The parcel locker thing, maybe if you approach them with the scenario, same as a PO BOX, a TNT freight person can't deliver to a PO BOX, so I imagine they can't deliver to a parcel locker either, so it really would be something they need to be able to screen out for some sellers with bulky items.  The only work around I can think of is to put it in your listings that you don't send to parcel lockers, and if someone buys, contact them pointing out your listing wording, and ask for a real address.

 

I was thinking more about the suggestion to get eBay to ask sellers to change their handling times.  I realized why eBay won't do it - think about it - if you put your store on holiday for, say 14 days, you need to select 15 days handling time to cover it, but the handling time doesn't decrease with each day you are away, so on day 13, 1 day before you get back and will post everything the next day, all your listings still say they won't be posted for 15 days.  Still incorrect information for the buyer.  Yes, I know they would be happy to get their order quicker, but that doesn't help the seller for the sales they lost because a buyer still looks at the delivery dates, and they don't buy, therefore not something eBay can recommend a seller do as a fix (not in writing on the web site anyway).   If changing the handling time was all you needed to do, then holiday mode with sales turned on would be superfluous.  The other solutions I can think of is for eBay, if making the dates change isn't easy, to have them disappear altogether when holiday mode is turned on (which I did also suggest to them), or replace them with wording suggesting buyers view the shop notice (which you have to enter anyway) for detailed postage information.  I can remember long ago when they didn't give postage estimates at all, then it changed to number of days, now the date thing, so it is all the improvements' that has created this particular problem in the first place.

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Business policies have got nothing to do with the immediate payment problems. Ebay have stated quite clearly that they're gradually opting all sellers in to immediate payment on all BIN listings. Don't take my word for it, read the threads in the section "Chat with ebay staff".

I've got business policies and I don't have anything ticked to require immediate payment, yet at least half my customers don't have any choice but to pay immediately. Why it's only some of them and not others I don't know. I've experimented with other people's listings and I have no choice but to pay immediately on most of them.

Some sellers have opted out of business policies so they no longer have them. I think some may never have been opted in. I'm pretty sure that if you've been opted in you can't sell anything without using them because those fields have to be filled in when you do a listing.
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Actually, it makes sense in a way, Buyers the choice of clicking BIN or Add to Cart, so if you choose BIN, then you could expect it is the only item you want to buy and take you to payment to be processed, otherwise you would have chosen ATC.  I offer to accept banking, so mine don't force PayPal immediately, even with BIN, maybe if you only offer PayPal, then it does???  I do know, that if the buyer checks out without paying me for a few items, I can later combine them to one invoice, but you have to do this before they pay for them separately.

 

I know it does have to do with some immediate payment problems at least, as I bought an item last month, seller said to just request invoice and he would change for the added item I needed, but it wouldn't let me request invoice, wanted to take me straight to checkout.  The seller was sure they didn't have any preferences set, but I let the seller know where to go to untick the box in payment policy, and it fixed it.

 

Didn't know you could opt out of payment/postage policies, I never opted in or out on my private account, but eBay created a policy for EVERY different method I used, so there are lots.  Don't really see the point of opting out, as wouldn't that mean that all listings use 1 method of payment and postage?  Maybe that is part of the old system that is being rolled out too because it isn't functioning well??

 

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You mention that you don't use business policies in your shop and your account is 10 years old.   You may need to check, I think you could have them anyway, and this might still be the source of some of your payment issues.


I am the kind of person that explores every option available, and clicks every button or link to see what's what, I also like to troubleshoot, for some reason I enjoy doing that for anyone, not just myself, and I switch over to new things if/when it doesn't break things, even if it's at the expense of something else (eg I lost 4 custom pages when I switched my store from the old format to the new, because the new doesn't support them but that was a seamless transition and I like the new format). 

 

I mention that because I'm just trying to get across that I (occasionally) know what I'm talking about Smiley Very Happy, and I definitely do not have business policies enabled on my store account. I have them enabled on this account, so I know how they work, what they look like etc. and I also have seller hub on this account so I can explore that too, but the truth is, the majority of bugs come from the new versions of things while the old versions carry on functioning as normal (which sometimes includes bugs and such), however the payment issues I experience are caused by eBay - either through glitches, or incompetence (and by incompetence, I actually mean their lack of ability to provide an intuitive and cohesive checkout experience for buyers). 

 

Re: the handling time and holiday mode issue - the problem with eBay taking over the handling time, recalculating it as the holiday progresses, would be that they have no way of knowing / deciding when the seller will post an order once they get back. For some sellers it could take several days to clear a backlog, meanwhile new buyers continue to purchase and their orders likely delayed some as well, so automating that in any way will be ok for some, but very problematic for others. There needs to be an ETA of some description, though, because eBay's Money Back Guarantee timelines are based (and therefore rely) on it, and so leaving it in the seller's hands to adjust accordingly is probably the best thing they could do that doesn't cause even more problems for X number of sellers. 

 

I think - at best - when holiday mode is switched on, where the ETA is could have a banner than says "May not ship until after [date]",since if people are taking notice of ETAs, they should notice that, but there would still need to be an ETA of some description, for MBG purposes (I hate the ETAs, anyway, and wish in listings it was a timeframe in days, not this "on or before [specific date] thing - have the timeframe / dates for the MBG in order details, IMHO).   But, eBay are pushing for guaranteed delivery, so they're moving in the opposite direction. 

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Hope I didn't imply you don't know the ins and outs, I just know from experience, sometimes it is the simple things that I miss, and when someone mentions it, I hit my head and think 'why didn't I think of that!' it is so obvious.

 

With the holiday timing though, the dates would correspond to the date of return you enter  + your normal handling time.  But would need to remove the option to leave sales turned on without a return date, personally I think that option does not make any sense anyway.

 

But your suggestion of moving the away banner to be right next to the deliver dates is a brilliant idea - it would be harder to miss there.

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@brerrabbit585wrote:

Personally, I hope the changes you want NEVER happen!  You talk about keeping buyers happy, but how is clogging the site up with thousands of listings for items that aren't even available going to keep them happy?  It's bad enough having to wade through hundreds of duplicate items in some categories without having hundreds of items that aren't actually available to trawl through as well.  If ebay did what you're suggesting there'd be even more stores with their items on view while they're away, so it'd make the buyer experience worse than ever. 

 

Sometimes people need an item in the next few days, not next month, so they need to be able to view only the listings that are available for posting, not click on umpteen listings only to find they won't be posted promptly.  Frankly, I think when a shop is away but leaves their listings visible, all the other listings should be given priority.

 

I find it a real turn-off to click on something just to find the seller is away for the next month, and I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels that way.  I'd never buy anything while the seller is away unless I wanted it REALLY badly, and even then I'd hesitate.  I think it's disrespectful to buyers to leave a store 'open' while a seller is away.  

 

You say you're often away because of illness.  What happens if it gets serious and you're away an extra month, or you die and there's nobody else who can fill orders?  If that happens you expect ebay to clean up the mess, not to mention that a lot of buyers wouldn't know they can get their money back so they'll be left out of pocket and turned off ebay forever.

 

You stated that you pay ebay fees and therefore you're entitled to have the site the way you want it.  What about what buyers are entitled to, or what they want?  What about what other sellers want?  Is it all about you and what you want?  Unless your fees are in the millions I'd say you're entitled to nothing except what you already get.

 

As for constantly complaining to ebay, all that does is tie up resources that they could be using to fix other things.  They don't have endless resources and have to make some sort of return for the site to continue in existence, and if we all rang all the time to complain they'd have to employ extra staff instead of spending the money on more important things.



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There are some areas in this discussion that I think you may be confusing with other issues, but I apologize in advance if I have misunderstood anything you have stated, it is not my intention to upset you, just to clarify, and understand the real issue.

 

1.  The items in stores on holiday are available, they are not clogging up the site, they simply have a different delivery date to that stated by eBay (if the seller doesn't change the postage policy).

Sorry, but they aren't available at all.  They may be available to order but if a buyer can't expect to receive them in a normal time frame then they're not available as such.  Available means you pay your money and the goods are handed over - in this case they're posted within a reasonably short time.  If a person needs something in the next week they don't want to click on umpteen listings that can't be posted until next month because the seller is away.

 

2.   The hundreds of dulpicated listings is a completely different issue  (that I totally agree is a right pain), but what can they do?

What can they do?  They could take notice of reports they receive.  Unfortunately, they only take notice of a few because of their limited resources.

 

3.  Why do you say more stores will go away if the delivery dates issue is fixed? 

I'm saying more will leave their listings visible when they go away instead of making them invisible.

 

And what difference would it make anyway, if the delivery dates are stated correct, no buyer will be confused, so they will be happy.  How is that making the buyer experience worse than ever?  

 

Because a lot of people don't want to buy things if they know they won't be posted in the next few days.  That's not just because they're impatient, it could be because they need to ask a question, or it can be because it's easy to forget about purchases that won't be posted for a while and then if they never arrive it ends up being too late to do anything about it.

 

4.  You don't need to put a store on holiday to extend your handling times, so wading through items that have long postage times has nothing to do with holiday mode.  Why should a listing that has 30 days handling time be given priority over a listing with store on holiday for 5 days?

I think listings with 30 days handling time should also be given a very low priority.  I think a lot of buyers would be wary of sellers with such long handling times because it denotes inefficiency, and if they take that long to post then what else are they inefficient at?  I know some do it because they don't order the stock until it's sold, but that's supposed to be declared, plus all sorts of things can go wrong, eg. their supplier is out of stock, postal delays, etc.

 

5.  If it is disrespectful to have items available for sale while away with 7 or 10 days extra handling time, is it disrespectful to have items listed for sale with 30 day handling times?  Is there a difference?

A lot of sellers who leave their listings up while they're away do it for a lot longer than 7 or 10 days.  Some go away for more than 30 days and some even go overseas and leave all their items visible.  Where are you going to draw the line - 7 days, 10 days, 11 days, 12, 15? 

 

If I were to leave my listings up while I was away and only had an extra 7 to 10 days handling time, I probably wouldn't even bother saying I was away.  But in your case, how can you guarantee you'll be back in 7 days if you're away due to illness?  What happens if you end up being away an extra four days but someone has bought before you amend your return date?  Do you think ebay should accommodate you and amend the arrival date on that purchase too?

 

For those who always have a 30 day handling time, that's just plain sloppy.  There may be valid reasons for it in some circumstances (sale pre-orders) but a lot would be just plain inefficient.  I'd guess that some would actually be away but haven't actually said so.

 

6.  Illness - such an unpredictable thing, but so are car crashes, fires, bombs.... Anyone could die, whole families get killed in crashes, whole business get wiped out with bombs.  You don't have to have your store on holiday for dealth to affect it at any time, that is irrelevant, and there are simply too many what ifs.  I hope that I won't crash the car taking my husband to hospital, thereby killing us both at the same time.  If an item isn't delivered, eBay already have in place a claims proceedure and PayPal will readily refund money for undelivered items, and accounts with lots of defects get closed down.  So that is already looked after by eBay.

It takes a long time to close them down and you can bet your boots that buyers aren't automatically refunded in such cases, or even contacted by ebay or paypal.  Despite the ebay MBG being advertised so freely, a lot of buyers still wouldn't realise they can get their money back for items that don't arrive in such cases.

 

There are lots of what ifs, but this is why I suggested we should all try and have someone who can do the basics if something happens to us, as in set the store to away or end listings.

 

7.  I have never said I am entitled to anything just because I pay my fees, or that anything is just about what I want, not sure at all were you got that idea from.  In a perfect world, it would be nice to think that all issues with eBay are fixed, and everyone is happy.  

But you've said you expect ebay to work perfectly, or strongly inferred it, when you said this, "They have the resources, they can fix things."  You want them to fix the away issue so it works for you, regardless of whether that may or may not be the best experience for everyone else.

 

Re being entitled to have them fix this issue because you pay your fees, you said this,  "We pay eBay to provide a good easy usable service.", and this, "Remember, we pay eBay to provide this platform", which can only be construed as you expecting to be done because you pay your fees.

 

8.  I don't feel my contacting them once a year could be called constantly, or has such a negative impact on their resources.  If everyone stopped contacting them altogether, they would never know what problems there were or fix anything.  They simple need everyone who has issues to let them know, and when enough people report a specific problem, they might fix it.

 

I never said you complain constantly, but you were trying to encourage others to complain, and everyone knows an isolated complaint is never going to get any attention.  Nit-picking, I know, but you've obviously contacted them more than once a year because you said this, "I have several times previously begged eBay to make the away notices more prominent and change the postage dates..."  Begging denotes more than a simple request once a year, and postage dates haven't been around all that long.

 

I'm sorry but I think ebay is primarily for active sellers, not for those who are away, and the system is designed with that in mind.  I can understand why ebay doesn't give high priority to changing things so that people who are away can have their cake and eat it too.  I think the fact that you're able to actually keep selling while you're away should be considered a bonus and a privilege, rather than complaining that you might have to edit half a dozen business policies and expecting to have a one-click solution when you go away.

 

 


 

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