Does anyone else HATE this stupid Global shipping program?

[berwen2010]

I've found Global to be inflexible, expensive and frustrating. I've just had an item sent through it and of course it's under multiple carriers and the number I was given by WNDirect cannot be tracked. I've therefore paid for a Priority Mail service and received what was First Class without the tracking. I live in Australia and First Class International through the good old U.S. Post can now be tracked here. It is SO much better than what I just experienced and costs me so much less, but when a seller locks themselves into a Global listing, it appears that they can no longer override the invoice so I've just paid double for this rubbish! So not happy!!

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@marwi_3023 wrote:
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/business/pitney_bowes.html

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I thought I had seen this website before . . . . . . and with a little sleuthing I found this thread

https://community.ebay.com.au/t5/Buying/Hi-has-any-members-had-problems-with-the-Global-Shipping-pro...

where the same link link was posted.  It wasn’t relevant then, and it isn’t now!

[4channel]

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@imastawka wrote:

Just imagine one day that in order to see your doctor, you have to pay a consultant to assess your situation before you'd even be allowed to speak to the doctor. 

I believe it's called triage.   It's been around a long time.

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 You would know very well that when I said "your doctor" that I was saying a vist to the doctor (GP) would be blocked as it would be assessed first. This is what was suggested in NZ some years ago and I believe there was quite an outcry from the people there who ssaw that  as an infringement on their rights. Imagine a scenario going to the doctor because you have a rash or have the flu and some bean-counter type of twit asking questions to determine if you have a right to see the doctor or not.

That was the point I was making to victoriadoll2, and saying that Pitney Bowes was an arrogantly and rudley insterted middleman just like the bean counter type that I mentioned in the scenario I mentioned. It also greatly hinders us in making better postal and combo arrangements with a seller.

Hi victoriandoll2 , GSP is an arrogantly and rudely inserted middleman. Inserited with the arrogance of any greed based unwarranted middleman service. Just imagine one day that in order to see your doctor, you have to pay a consultant to assess your situation before you'd even be allowed to speak to the doctor. Same thing! Someone dreamt up a way to make money. And they're creaming it now.

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

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@4channel wrote:Just imagine one day that in order to see your doctor a specialist, you have to pay a consultant GP to assess your situation before you'd even be allowed to speak to the doctor specialist.

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this is already the case when wanting a blood test/pathology services or seeing a specialist.

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should’ve thought through that analogy a bit more before posting.

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LOL, a bit of a patcwork job on quoting me

I wasn't talking about specialists or whatever other referred services . I was talking about a visit to the doctor. Would you stand for it if you had a crook stomach or case of the flu and you went to your GP and some upstart said to you  ...  "Sorry but going on what you have told me, you can't see the doctor today". How would you feel?

Anyway back to the topic here. Things were great before GSP. Now they are not  And  ....  yeah  ....  I've had a look at your other post and I'll try to get around to replying to that later at some stage.

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

@4channel

Anyway back to the topic here. Things were great before GSP. Now they are not 

so don’t post comparisons with things other than eBay related stuff.  You were the one who introduced doctor comparisons, and I just went with it to show that in some cases you do have to see one before seeing the other.

As for things being great before the GSP . . . . . not always . . . . . . as has been pointed out numerous times before there are now many items available to Aussie buyers only because of the GSP as sellers who did not previously sell internationally were suddenly selling internationally when the were opted in to the GSP by eBay.

So I guess have a simple question for you:

Do you agree that there are now more items available to Aussie buyers because USA/UK sellers who we’re not wanting to sell internationally are included in the GSP?

A ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will suffice.  No need to qualify a response with opinion about the fairness of the GSP or how unjust it is etc etc.

[*tippy*toes*]

I learnt tonight that home delivery pizza is just like room service at a 4 or 5 star hotel. You order your food, they knock on the door 15 minutes later. It doesn't get much better than that!

Ordering home delivery pizza has about as much relevance to this thread as going to see your GP. This level of obscession you have with your collectables is unhealthy. I am a collector. I collect the same items as you do (amongst others).

As much as I love collecting rarer than rare records (and tapes), it doesn't rule my life. The reason it doesn't rule my life is because when I die, those items that I've cherished, sitting in a drawer or cupboard, mean nothing. Even if the offspring do sell them, I'm already dead. I only had that realisation earlier this year. That's when I told myself I need to appreciate the items I have. No point hoarding them, only to get no value from them.

Do you play your rarer than rare records and DVD's? I do, because what is the point in having them if you  can't appreciate the beauty of them? Why keep them locked away in a cupboard, only for some kid, or other nobody, chuck them out when you die?

For many years, my beloved collectables have been locked away. What is the point in doing that? I buy something new, it got locked away. I still value them, and do my utmost not to damage them, but I am completely enjoying looking at them and hearing them.

[4channel]

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

@4channel

So I guess have a simple question for you:

Do you agree that there are now more items available to Aussie buyers because USA/UK sellers who we’re not wanting to sell internationally are included in the GSP?

A ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will suffice.  No need to qualify a response with opinion about the fairness of the GSP or how unjust it is etc etc.

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I can't agree because there's no proper way to measure that. Look, I get what you're trying to say but unless there were some survey done, we'd never know.

From what I have been told by a poster here in this forum and by sellers that I have dealt with (One in the UK), they have stopped listing with GSP and gone back to using normal post. Their sales have increased as a result.

Some minority sellers that didn't like sending overseas but do now because of GSP still would lose sales. The postal cost via Pitney Bowes is inflated and people can't afford the shipping costs. Plus items can't be combined.

[4channel]

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@*tippy*toes* wrote:

I learnt tonight that home delivery pizza is just like room service at a 4 or 5 star hotel. You order your food, they knock on the door 15 minutes later. It doesn't get much better than that!

Ordering home delivery pizza has about as much relevance to this thread as going to see your GP. This level of obscession you have with your collectables is unhealthy. I am a collector. I collect the same items as you do (amongst others).

As much as I love collecting rarer than rare records (and tapes), it doesn't rule my life. The reason it doesn't rule my life is because when I die, those items that I've cherished, sitting in a drawer or cupboard, mean nothing. Even if the offspring do sell them, I'm already dead. I only had that realisation earlier this year. That's when I told myself I need to appreciate the items I have. No point hoarding them, only to get no value from them.

Do you play your rarer than rare records and DVD's? I do, because what is the point in having them if you  can't appreciate the beauty of them? Why keep them locked away in a cupboard, only for some kid, or other nobody, chuck them out when you die?

For many years, my beloved collectables have been locked away. What is the point in doing that? I buy something new, it got locked away. I still value them, and do my utmost not to damage them, but I am completely enjoying looking at them and hearing them.

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That's a totally inaccurate statement about me. When in the past I talk about how GSP affects collectors, I was referring to others as well as myself. If I never bought another 45, LP, dvd, emerald green 1960s glass item, Hi-Fi item or 1950s to 1970s electronic device, it wouldn't really worry me as I have nearly what I want.  So, it would still bug me if I see other people being unhappy about having to pay through the nose to get their desired items.

I have other interests in life. Friends, family, health, interacting with sensible and funny people and learning a few things as I go on.  There's no unhealthy obsession with this stuff because at the end of the day, when I lose interest in it, as I have with other things in the past, I'll make sure someone else who enjoys it can have it.

* Quote: "This level of obscession you have with your collectables is unhealthy" = Wrong. No obesssion!

* Quote: "Do you play your rarer than rare records and DVD's? " = Sure do!  That's what they're there for!  I just am careful when handling as I look after things. And the rare DVD set I purchased was a documentary that was so very hard to find. Now I have it, I watch it.

[4channel]

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@marwi_3023 wrote:
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/business/pitney_bowes.html

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Gosh, there's so much more to the horridness of Pitney Bowes than just the paying-through-the-nose and cavalier packing issues. Lot of people over there unhappy. No surprise. Thanks marwi_3023 for posting that. Good to know other aspects of what's going on.  Cheers

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@4channel wrote:

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

@4channel

So I guess have a simple question for you:

Do you agree that there are now more items available to Aussie buyers because USA/UK sellers who we’re not wanting to sell internationally are included in the GSP?

A ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will suffice.  No need to qualify a response with opinion about the fairness of the GSP or how unjust it is etc etc.

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I can't agree because there's no proper way to measure that. Look, I get what you're trying to say but unless there were some survey done, we'd never know.

From what I have been told by a poster here in this forum and by sellers that I have dealt with (One in the UK), they have stopped listing with GSP and gone back to using normal post. Their sales have increased as a result.

Some minority sellers that didn't like sending overseas but do now because of GSP still would lose sales. The postal cost via Pitney Bowes is inflated and people can't afford the shipping costs. Plus items can't be combined.

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Some minority sellers that didn't like sending overseas but do now because of GSP still would lose sales.

and there it is . . . . . an answer from you whether you realise it or not.

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and, if the sales they lose are due to high GSP costs, and they weren’t wanting to ship internationally in the first place, then they aren’t really losing out on sales, are they?

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@4channel wrote:

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@marwi_3023 wrote:
https://www.consumeraffairs.com/business/pitney_bowes.html

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Gosh, there's so much more to the horridness of Pitney Bowes than just the paying-through-the-nose and cavalier packing issues. Lot of people over there unhappy. No surprise. Thanks marwi_3023 for posting that. Good to know other aspects of what's going on.  Cheers

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I would imagine that much like many/all big multinational companies that they would have many ‘divisions’ in their business.  When one PB division is poorly run, such as the domestic leasing of postal processing machines or software, it does not necessarily mean that all their other divisions are poorly run.  And, all but a few of those ‘reviews’ are related to domestic leasing of postal processing machines or software and associated ongoing billing issues . . . . . aspects of business the GSP does not engage in.

These “other aspects of what’s going on” have nothing, nil, zilch, nada to do with GSP on items sent to Australia . . . . . . and as such, are just a distraction and not valid in mounting any case against PB provision of GSP for eBay items.

[4channel]

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

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@4channel wrote:

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

@4channel

So I guess have a simple question for you:

Do you agree that there are now more items available to Aussie buyers because USA/UK sellers who we’re not wanting to sell internationally are included in the GSP?

A ‘yes’ or ‘no’ will suffice.  No need to qualify a response with opinion about the fairness of the GSP or how unjust it is etc etc.

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I can't agree because there's no proper way to measure that. Look, I get what you're trying to say but unless there were some survey done, we'd never know.

From what I have been told by a poster here in this forum and by sellers that I have dealt with (One in the UK), they have stopped listing with GSP and gone back to using normal post. Their sales have increased as a result.

Some minority sellers that didn't like sending overseas but do now because of GSP still would lose sales. The postal cost via Pitney Bowes is inflated and people can't afford the shipping costs. Plus items can't be combined.

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Some minority sellers that didn't like sending overseas but do now because of GSP still would lose sales.

and there it is . . . . . an answer from you whether you realise it or not.

Spoiler

and, if the sales they lose are due to high GSP costs, and they weren’t wanting to ship internationally in the first place, then they aren’t really losing out on sales, are they?

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The potential for greater sales is there when the item is with an auction / sale that uses USPS (For the US) and GP (For the UK). Buyers including myself are scared off when they see an auction / BIN with GSP. If it's an item say for example,  "The Man with the Golden Gun (Starring Roger Moore (The only true James Bond) ) , rather than ask the seller to re-list with normal post, the potential buyer will move along to the next seller. Seller loses that sale.  I could give you more examples but you get the picture.