on 28-05-2019 02:38 PM
I am in the middle of a dispute with a seller, item arrived broken, bad packaging and fastway, found out after some research that the item is fake/knock off anyway(I reported this to ebay, not that it will do much), seller first offered partial refund($6), then double original postage($2ish) to send another item, then send an item for free, none of these interested me so I filed a paypal dispute, only asking for cost of item not postage as refund.
They asked me to change my neutral rating before initiating the refund process, added a sob story about they need the money to live their life too.
They are dragging the whole thing out, it's been a week already and i'm no where until today, they offered refund of item cost but claim that the refund won't go through until I close the paypal dispute, is this true or more BS from seller, I tried calling paypal but was put on hold for 25 minutes, no live chat available and email takes about a week to get a response.
So is it true a paypal dispute can hold or mess with a refund, if I cancel the dispute I can't reopen it which is what I assume they want, i'm sick of ebay letting these sellers operate.
Do I just let the paypal dispute go through, i'm going to email paypal anyway, maybe get a quicker response, I really don't trust the seller after everything i've gone through just to get to this point.
The total amount of money is only $14, it's more a principal thing now.
Any advice is welcome.
on 28-05-2019 02:48 PM
Load of BS
And typical from a seller in China with horrid feedback such as that one has
Personally I would not engage with them any further and just do what you need to do with the dispute so it does not time out
However, because you have broken eBay rules by mentioning the dispute in your feedback, don't be surprised if eBay remove it for that reason. (I agree a neg was deserved but if a neg mentions a dispute or is abusive, it will be removed most of the time)
on 28-05-2019 03:34 PM
Oh well didn't know about not mentioning disputes, I don't understand ebay's policies sometimes, i'm sure they'd prefer buyers have a better experience and finding reputable sellers is part of that, I went off the stores rating, maybe I should have checked the negative reviews too, I normally do but it was late and I got lazy.
I haven't escalated the dispute yet, i'll email the seller once more, if they respond with more BS i'll escalate the dispute and be done with it.
Thanks for the reply.
28-05-2019 03:37 PM - edited 28-05-2019 03:38 PM
If your feedback is removed, it *might* (depending on who you speak to at eBay) be re-instated if you contact a supervisor and point out the seller brought feedback extortion (by wanting you to change your rating before they would start a refund) into it too
on 28-05-2019 04:03 PM
I will do that I think, it's just a low act.
If it's removed it's removed, i'll rate the store on productreview if ebay don't want my rating for what ever reason.
28-05-2019 06:23 PM - edited 28-05-2019 06:26 PM
@dallas_grant,
You've been patient in waiting for the seller's response, but in cases like this, where you have purchased a damaged fake item from a Chinese eBay seller falsely claiming that the item is in "Australia, Australia", you need to be aware that the seller will use every method to drag this out in an an attempt to avoid having to refund you.
Since the item arrived broken AND is a fake, you're entitled to a full refund, including postage. Don't hesitate to make that clear in the PayPal dispute.
Your seller is registered in China (as you can see if you click onto the seller's feedback percentage - it links to the seller's feedback page where it says Member since: 21-Feb-17 in China) and has appalling feedback for a high volume seller (98.3% is awful for a seller selling that sort of volume). Feedback comments include such gems as:
Nothing like description ! Cheap and nasty fabric ! Useless
4 Sizes Cotton Fadeless Replacement Ironing Board Table Cover Foam Padding Back
Doesn't work. Got blind and blew 0.00
Alcohol Breath Test Breathalyser Tester Detector LCD Digital Analyzer Brand New
does not work, makes signal worse.
SMA 2.4GHz 9DBI Wireless WLAN 5 X Range WiFi Booster Aerial Antenna Extender AU
Item came completely smashed. Wasn’t even bubble wrapped.
Self Watering Plant Bulb Fake Glass Water Globe Indoor Outdoor Automatic Holiday
product broken not working.told they would send new one-not arrived. no refund
3 in 1 PH Tester Soil Moisture Light Tester Meter for Garden Plant Flower Growth
Courier company didn't contact me, had to chase my product, then product damaged
Vintage Industrial Retro Pendant Lamp Shade Home Hanging Ceiling Lights Loft
Windscreen dashboard holder faulty ,tried many time but still no solution
Universal 360° in Car Windscreen Dashboard Holder Mount For GPS Mobile Phone AU
The item was not as described and the seller refused full refund. Don't buy!
H9R HD 4K WiFi Waterproof Action Sports Camera Underwater Video Recording Cam
Desc/pics dangerously misleading. Med-sized fridge - loops tore while lifting!!
2 Lifting Shoulder Straps Safe Moving Harness Belts Moving Furniture Removal Kit
does not stick on the wall,buyer won’t to refund the amount or send replacement.
Wall Sticker Hot Cartoon My Little Pony Decals Kids Nursery Decor Removable AU
They are NOT intel heatsink fan.
INTEL Copper Core i3 i5 i7 CPU Heatsink Fan E97379-001 Cooler LGA 1155 1156
AN AB,SOLUTE JOKE DEALING WITH THIS MOB. STEAR CLEAR
Nexus Cutting Clipper Cutter Easy Grip Long Toe Nail Toenail Scissor Manicure
Absolute rubbish!
Leather Boxing Mitt Focus Punch Strike Pad Training Kick Target MMA Karate Muay
It was such bad experience bought two watchesfor specialoccasion but both broken
Kids Car Style Digital Cartoon Sport watch LED Display watchs Jewelry Wristwatch
The item you purchased (the Intel CPU Fan) has several red flags about it, including the following:
By the way... the Shop with Confidence on the item page tells you that there's an eBay Money Back Guarantee on the item. Why didn't you go through eBay's MBG to make a claim instead of PayPal?
The reason I mention this is that if you close this dispute, you will have no further recourse either through PayPal (you can't re-open a closed dispute) or through eBay (eBay's Money Back Guarantee can only be used if you have not already opened a PayPal dispute; if you close the PayPal dispute OR lose the PayPal dispute after opening it, that's it - no eBay MBG is applicable any longer, which is why opening an eBay claim for items that are not as described should be your first option rather than opening a PayPal dispute.)
However, since you've opened the dispute in PayPal, don't - under any circumstances! - close it until the refund is actioned by the seller. The seller both can and MUST refund you in full (including the postage amount even though that was only 79¢), and only after the refund is actioned and confirmed (by you opening a new browser window and logging in to your PayPal account to check - not by clicking on to any link that you receive by email, even if the email looks as though it's from PayPal) can you be sure that the refund has been completed.
Chinese eBay sellers - tactics to avoid giving refunds
The seller's tactics will involve sob stories, appeals to your generosity, tales about being unable to pay for so much as a crust of bread, plaintive and repeated promises, and so on. Ignore these; they are standard cut-and-paste responses from Chinese eBay sellers. You shouldn't have to get involved in a soap opera when you buy something on eBay, and your only concern should be to open a dispute as soon as possible, and to escalate the dispute as soon as possible if the seller doesn't swiftly resolve, to ensure that you get your refund. No long back-and-forth of elaborate explanations and appeals and dramas with the seller is required.
Other tactics may include requests for photographs of the damage, delayed responses, offers of a partial refund, requests for you to change your negative feedback, claims that they can't refund until the dispute is closed, etc. While a good seller may frequently request photographs where a buyer claims that the item has arrived damaged, Chinese eBay sellers actually have no interest in receiving such photographs, and simply make the request to delay, delay, delay! It's not unknown for another request for photographs to be made further down the line if the buyer appears to be losing patience, under the guise of the previous images not having received, etc., etc.
Feedback for Chinese eBay sellers
Don't worry too much if your feedback is removed. Evidence shows that the great majority of Australian buyers simply don't bother to read the relevant feedback, and will happily purchase from obviously bad sellers. The poor behaviour and poor quality of items of so many Chinese eBay sellers stems from their knowledge that Australian buyers behave in this way - not bothering to do due diligence before purchasing. Just as you ignored (or didn't check) the seller's bad feedback, other buyers will do the same - so whether or not your negative feedback (including the comment) remain is neither here nor there.
I would suggest that you contact PayPal by phone NOW. You say "They are dragging the whole thing out, it's been a week already and i'm no where", but the control of this situation is entirely in your hands. Had you gone through eBay's MBG, by now you could have asked eBay to step in and eBay would have forced the refund.
Since you are making the dispute through PayPal, are you aware of the timeframe? Your seller is sure to be trying to delay you so that you won't escalate within 20 days of opening the dispute.
If you open a claim in PayPal using PayPal Buyer Protection (you have up to 180 days to open a dispute), once you've opened the dispute, you must escalate the dispute to a claim NO LATER than 20 days after opening the dispute.
Also... ensure that you've already activated PayPal's Refunded Returns, "Get your money back on return shipping [...] Pay with your PayPal account and we can refund your return shipping costs if you need to send anything back – up to $45 per return and 8 returns each year." That's just in case the PayPal dispute requires you to send back the item. However... see below where I address the issue of having to return.
Don't allow the seller to dictate the terms. You are protected as long as you follow the guidelines/timeframes. I suggested that you contact PayPal by phone asap, and point out that the item was listed on eBay with item location "Australia, Australia", and that because of that misrepresentation you are not prepared (nor should you be required) to post the damaged item back to the seller to a Chinese address. Be ultra-polite while you mention this.
To contact PayPal, you can call PayPal Customer Service. (Don't bother trying to email; PayPal isn't quite as bad as eBay in terms of bot-created automatic replies to email communications, but phoning is the way to go.)
1800 073 263 (toll free)
+61 2 8223 9500
Go to this page (https://www.paypal.com/au/smarthelp/contact-us) for your one-off passcode.
[You'll be asked to enter this unique code on the phone.)
Customer Service hours
6am to 10pm AEST Monday to Friday
8am to 7pm AEST Saturday and Sunday
Mention the following:
Ask the rep to escalate the dispute and resolve on the spot with your refund.
Be exceptionally courteous and repeat the main facts bulleted above as often as necessary, without becoming impatient.
on 28-05-2019 06:28 PM
I'd just escalate the dispute. I'm all for contacting sellers first when there is a problem but when you've done that a few times and been lied to and bullied about feedback, it's obvious you're just banging your head against a brick wall. The seller's not going to change and what makes you believe anything he says in a new email will be true?
I wouldn't trust this seller, he is only going to repay you if he is forced to.
So be kind to yourself, escalate and go for refund plus postage back.
on 28-05-2019 06:35 PM
on 29-05-2019 05:40 AM
@dallas_grant wrote:I am in the middle of a dispute with a seller, item arrived broken, bad packaging and fastway, found out after some research that the item is fake/knock off anyway(I reported this to ebay, not that it will do much), seller first offered partial refund($6), then double original postage($2ish) to send another item, then send an item for free, none of these interested me so I filed a paypal dispute, only asking for cost of item not postage as refund.
I hope you did not mention in the dispute that the item is a fake.
If you did you may be required to produce written proof of that fact from an authorised third party. Neither ebay nor paypal will take your word that the item is fake without proof.
You have a reason for the dispute in that the item is broken....which is easily proved with a photo if necessary.