Seller Cancels Auction Sale After Item is Paid for. / Bargains Depend entirely on Goodwill

[ra157]

Last Friday I had the interesting experience of winning a Nikon 1 J3 mirrorless camera with two lenses at a very good price. I immediately paid for it with Paypal. 19 minutes after the end of the auction, the seller then cancelled the sale, citing the reason as,
" I'm out of stock or the item is damaged".

Plainly she wasn't out of stock, and it strains credulity that she suddenly discovered the camera was found to be damaged within 19 minutes of my winning it. I reported the seller to Ebay.

Ebay's response included,

"I assure you that I have warned the seller and we will monitor their account to make sure that if they continue to cause bad-buyer experiences, we will take further actions which could lead to restrictions or even indefinite suspension."

As best I can see it – sellers can break their Ebay conditions and their contract with me with impunity.

Plainly, if this pattern is repeated by a frequent seller, Ebay will do something. But it appears that casual sellers never have to worry about getting what they perceive to be a dud price for their item. If they do, they can just cancel the sale and claim the item was damaged.

To make matters worse, the camera was listed as not having a charger, which I bought from another seller after winning the camera. Despite my requesting that he cancel the order, it is on its way to me, and I have paid $10.98 for a useless charger.

Anybody else had this type of  frustrating auction experience?
Regards,
Renato

[ra157]

Hi Digital*Ghost,
          You state and ask,
"The seller ended the auction early, though.

Why do you think they did that?

If they weren't happy with the price it achieved, why end it early and give the auction no chance to get anymore bids, and therefore a higher price, since most people bid in the last few minutes?"

Beats me - I have no idea. And it is irelevant, as Ebay sent me an e-mail to pay the seller, and I paid.
Regards,
Renato

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@ra157 wrote:

Hi K1ooo-slr-sales,
          You state,
  "this is a discussion board not a jumped up debating forum.

I am not interested in debating you, I will have a discussion that will include what I think . . . . . . but just because you seem to demand that members make a case in reply to your assertions, and to your satisfaction, does not mean that they have to oblige"


You are 100% correct - this is a "discussion board", and a discussion is defined in the Concise Oxford Dictionary as " a debate about or detailed written treatment of a topic" and a debate in turn is an "ongoing exchange of views about a subject"

Which is precisely what I have been doing, and which you have done till now, but have now totally declined to do so, by claiming that a "discussion" is something other than what it is.
Regards,
Renato

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but have now totally declined to do so, by claiming that a "discussion" is something other than what it is

NO, as I previously posted “I am simply using as few words as possible now when I reply to you to limit what you can argue about with me“

Spoiler

doesn’t seem to be working though!

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@ra157 wrote:

Hi Digital*Ghost,
          You state and ask,
"The seller ended the auction early, though.

Why do you think they did that?

If they weren't happy with the price it achieved, why end it early and give the auction no chance to get anymore bids, and therefore a higher price, since most people bid in the last few minutes?"

Beats me - I have no idea. And it is irelevant, as Ebay sent me an e-mail to pay the seller, and I paid.
Regards,
Renato

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Beats me - I have no idea

why don’t you ask them?

Spoiler

new strategy, only quote and add five words.

[digital*ghost]

It is relevant, because a very big part of this discussion has been about the seller's intentions, and it's more than plausible the seller was trying to stop the auction rather than let it sell, for reasons we can only imagine.

If you dismiss everything as irrelevant other than your own assumptions, you're more conceited than I first thought.

[ra157]

Oh - I just remembered, not only did I wind up losing $10.98 on the useless charger I bought, as a result of the cancellation, I also lost my 201 Qantas Frequent Flyer points as a result of the refund. Which are worth approximately $2.01 when used on economy domestic and international travel, and anywhere up to $8 when used for upgrades Business or First Class travel. 
Regards,
Renato

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@ra157 wrote:

Oh - I just remembered, not only did I wind up losing $10.98 on the useless charger I bought, as a result of the cancellation, I also lost my 201 Qantas Frequent Flyer points as a result of the refund. Which are worth approximately $2.01 when used on economy domestic and international travel, and anywhere up to $8 when used for upgrades Business or First Class travel. 
Regards,
Renato

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stupidest thing posted so far

[countessalmirena]

There are definitely times when advice or information is given, only to see it lost in the howl of the wind. I remember finding it difficult at one stage of my life to refrain from discussion when I knew that it would be futile, but once I realised that there are more things that affect reasoning than artificial stimulants, it gave me a new perspective.

It appears likely that the eBay member whose actions have been considered from so many viewpoints in this thread is unable to buy or sell on eBay at present, which does seem a pity in view of his/her inexperience and what appears to be an attempt to end the auction and thus the "offer to sell". That doesn't seem like a proportional punishment...! Even taking מִדָּה כְּנֶגֶד מִדָּה to the letter, the measure is already slanted heavily in favour of buyers on eBay.

There's one of many threads illustrating this here. I know you've seen many examples of this, k1ooo-slr-sales!

digital*ghost, that's a fair comment. If the "offer to sell" was ended, or the seller intended to withdraw the "offer to sell" but was prevented from doing so effectively by a lack of familiarity with the measures to be able to do so on eBay, there can't be a valid acceptance of the offer. I have my doubts that a "sale" of this sort would be enforced in court, even if it were taken there.

[luna-2304]

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[4channel]

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

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@4channel wrote:

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@lyndal1838 wrote:

You are the OP's sidekick and I would suggest that at least half of the posts on the thread belong to the OP with a goodly number of the rest being from you.

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200 posts and me  doing the rest. Incorrect! Do a count!

"Sidekick?" Don't think so! I just support the OP's right to express their displeasure of a bum deal and disuss the aspects of it. You as well I know very well Lyndal, that there are some cyber bullies here as well as some people who aren't that straight up!

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Obviously Comprehension was not your strongest subject at school.

If you don't understand what I have said there is little point in me explaining.

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I forgot to a goodly amount that's all.  You probably would have known what I meant to say. Stll you never fail to disappoint and pounce on someone for an error and display the lovely lyndal side of you. That "nice side of you crops up now and then.

Hey do you like Philly Soul music? Do you like the group called The O'Jays?

[collect247]

Hey sidekick didn't you read luna's post above yours?

Are you that cold that you need to heat things up again lol.