on โ05-07-2020 04:39 PM
With long delivery items Ebay feedback can close within the delivery period so if no delivery is made you cannot give bad feedback. This has happened once and the items were never delivered. It appears to be happening again. This practice appears to encourage and make it easy for bad sellers
on โ06-07-2020 02:48 PM
If the seller (say from China) indicates a wide and long delivery window. You are unlikely to challenge them until after the final date. If that date is longer than the two months then options of bad feedback are closed. That seems pretty straight forward to me.
I have bought lots from Ebay but am unfamilar with ever obscure option the site may offer.
If the seller indicates a wide delivery range (outside the two months) but does not dispatch the goods the average buyer (like myself) would not be aware of what to do about it.
on โ06-07-2020 02:52 PM
In my case I just wanted to warn other potential buyers that the sellers does not dispatch the goods. I think that should be recorded.
on โ06-07-2020 03:47 PM
on โ06-07-2020 10:50 PM
@tazzieterror wrote: @tazzieterror wrote:
No one has disputed items are arriving after the feedback window, nor is it what I have questioned - see if you can actually address the point for once - I'll state it again:
The OP claimed the recent situation with delays "...appears to encourage and make it easy for bad sellers.." yet failed to offer any evidence.
This is what they've claimed (without any evidence), you support (without any evidence), and I dispute (argument and evidence laid out already).
If what you claim were really a "no brainer" it should be easy to articulate exactly how forknowledge of possible delays resulting in no feedback can "encourage and make it easy for bad seller" (to do what exactly?).
Keep repeating and rephrasing it all you like, 4channel, but you and the OP have shown nothing to support what you say. Meanwhile there is ample evidence on this very forum of bad buyers taking advantage of the delays and sellers sufering as a result. One only needs to look.
Once again this thread is about the feedback leaving time being shorter or not long enough for buyers. The OP also mentioned that this appears to make it easy and encourage bad sellers. OP has given an account of an items that never delivered and also mentioned another one that hasn't yet arrived. Obviously the OP is concerned. I agree as logic would suggest that bad sellers would have an advantage with the longer waiting times as bad (dishonest) sellers (and there are many theives on eBay) will exploit anything their scheming minds can think of. Other bad sellers who are not dishonest but are either too lazy, arrogant or incompetent to fix their mistakes will also have an advantage here.
Knowing you and what I have observed of you since being here, I believe you have an issue with people (buyers) wanting more than what you think they are entitled to. I also believe that you are trying to veer away from what the OP is concerned about by concentrating mainly one aspect of the OP's lead-in post to the exclusion of the other part and put the discussion on the track that you want. I believe your response is fuelled by the same emotion .... stance .... belief .... call it what ever you want as in the post below.
Re: With Corona affecting postage Ebay should go back to 3 months time to leave feedback instead ofin reply to 4channel3 weeks ago
@4channel wrote:...
Now for other people who are interested. Due to the much longer time for items to come from the US (and I'm almost on my 6th week waiting for an eBay parcel from the US), we need that extra month. It was 3 months in the old days and sometimes it saved the day.
@tazzieterror wrote:
Extending the feedback window would be silliness on eBay's part. The only people it would accomodate are those buyers who've waited an excessive amount of time for deliveries, meaning a higher proportion of negatives for sellers.
Given that sellers are already having to deal with the fallout of huge shipping delays these past months, giving unreasonable buyers even more time to whinge about it in feedback would be counterproductive.
Is that what we are, whingers? We're not going to leave negatives for sellers if we have to wait longer. We're not going to contribute to a higher proportion of negatives for sellers and we're not beneath you either sir!
BTW: The OP hasn't given any more proof in statistics or reports than you have but experience on eBay since 2002 tells me that the OP's suggestion is valid. And it's a probability!
on โ06-07-2020 11:30 PM
@4channel wrote:...
Now for other people who are interested. Due to the much longer time for items to come from the US (and I'm almost on my 6th week waiting for an eBay parcel from the US), we need that extra month. It was 3 months in the old days and sometimes it saved the day.
@tazzieterror wrote:
Extending the feedback window would be silliness on eBay's part. The only people it would accomodate are those buyers who've waited an excessive amount of time for deliveries, meaning a higher proportion of negatives for sellers.
Given that sellers are already having to deal with the fallout of huge shipping delays these past months, giving unreasonable buyers even more time to whinge about it in feedback would be counterproductive.
Is that what we are, whingers? We're not going to leave negatives for sellers if we have to wait longer. We're not going to contribute to a higher proportion of negatives for sellers and we're not beneath you either sir!
Of course buyers are leaving more negatives for delayed items - to deal with the issue eBay even had to start removing the resultant neutral and negative feedback, as detailed here.
There have been plenty of examples of these unreasonable, shortsighted buyers here in the forums these past months, and eBay's data must have shown it to be enough of an issue that even they - sluggish and stuck in their ways as they are - responded quickly with changes. No extension to the feedback time frame, though - I guess there was no data supporting that being a beneficial change.
And there are plenty of whinging buyers on eBay - if you choose to identify with that term, that's your choice.
BTW: The OP hasn't given any more proof in statistics or reports than you have but experience on eBay since 2002 tells me that the OP's suggestion is valid. And it's a probability!
Sure, if you think time on eBay somehow bestows quality of judgement then I'll point out that my 2002 eBay account predates your own.
on โ06-07-2020 11:51 PM
*SIGH*
on โ07-07-2020 09:05 AM
In the case of the person I dealt with they said they dispatched the goods and replacement goods, it seems pretty unlikely that two deliveries would permanently go astray. More likely they were never sent.
on โ07-07-2020 09:14 AM
@tazzieterror wrote:
Of course buyers are leaving more negatives for delayed items - to deal with the issue eBay even had to start removing the resultant neutral and negative feedback, as detailed here.
I've had a look at the page. I can't see it detailed that eBay had to start removing the resultant neutral and negatives. They said they would (depending on seller) remove them. No actual reports of any increase in negs etc.. This is just an "If it happens, we will do this" kind of thing. Are you adding your own spin to this?
@tazzieterror wrote:
There have been plenty of examples of these unreasonable, shortsighted buyers here in the forums these past months, and eBay's data must have shown it to be enough of an issue that even they - sluggish and stuck in their ways as they are - responded quickly with changes. No extension to the feedback time frame, though - I guess there was no data supporting that being a beneficial change.
Who are these unreasonablle short sighted buyers you refer to? Where are they?
You say ......
"eBay's data must have shown it to be enough of an issue that even they - sluggish and stuck in their ways as they are - responded quickly with changes". But you base this one your own spin of the "as detailed here. " thingy.
True?
@4channel wrote:
BTW: The OP hasn't given any more proof in statistics or reports than you have but experience on eBay since 2002 tells me that the OP's suggestion is valid. And it's a probability!
@taazzieterror wrote:
Sure, if you think time on eBay somehow bestows quality of judgement then I'll point out that my 2002 eBay account predates your own.
Yes, you beat me by some months. We were both 18 years younger then. One thing I've learnt in the past 18 years is how important it is not to betray my fellow man and deny / hide from him or her something which could be of benefit.
A man was once asked if he would like to be the new Pied Piper. He said .... "Give me the flute". And instead of putting it to use he snapped it in half and said .... "Now telll me where you'd like it?"
โ07-07-2020 10:26 AM - edited โ07-07-2020 10:27 AM
@4channel wrote:
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Yes, you beat me by some months. We were both 18 years younger then. One thing I've learnt in the past 18 years is how important it is not to betray my fellow man and deny / hide from him or her something which could be of benefit.
Spoiler
A man was once asked if he would like to be the new Pied Piper. He said .... "Give me the flute". And instead of putting it to use he snapped it in half and said .... "Now telll me where you'd like it?"
I bet it gets tiring performing all the mental gymnastics that you do in order to convince yourself that 1 + 2 โ 3
I'm sure eBay didn't start removing feedback just for the fun of it!
Your insinuation about betrayal is nothing more than hyperbole and it's telling that you choose drama and exaggeration over objectivity. By the way, your link is broken.
on โ07-07-2020 10:37 AM
@shatojak1 wrote:In the case of the person I dealt with they said they dispatched the goods and replacement goods, it seems pretty unlikely that two deliveries would permanently go astray. More likely they were never sent.
First rule of feedback is to keep it factual. You have no way to know items haven't been dispatched, so a seller could probaly appeal such a claim left in FB - it's better to say "I never received it."
And while it may seem unlikely for two items to go astray, the past 4 months have seen unprecedented delays and disruptions, particularly with international shipping.