Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran face execution

[j*oono]

I know that these two young men were stupid but the other thread will gone by the time I get up in the morning.

Yes, they knew Indonesian law and yes they were young enough and silly enough to ignore it.  They are grown men now and they are reformed. 

Can we please help save them?  I don't know how which makes me feel sick.  So sad to see the mother and brother crying and saying that her son needs to be saved for a silly mistake when he was hardly more than a kid.

[azureline**]

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@village_person wrote:

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@j*oono wrote:

Yes, they knew Indonesian law and yes they were young enough and silly enough to ignore it.  They are grown men now and they are reformed. 

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Purely our of necessity. I don't recall one of them showing any inclination to turn his hand to art while he stuffed drugs into plastic bags nor do I recall the other one training for the clergy while he stuffed drugs into a plastic bag.

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You don't recall? was that claim made at the time?

10 years is a long time, they could have sat and done nothing, yet they chose to do otherwise.

[nevynreally]

So do we ignore the law that other countries have when we visit?

It's been well known even before Barlow and Chambers about the penalties for drug smuggling in Indonesia. 

Sorry, but they rolled the dice and got caught. It's irrelevant if anyone agrees with the death penalty or not, it's how things are in that country. They are not victims.

[daydream**believer]

Nope. They are heroin smugglers. They used uneducated, poor drug addicts as mules.

I bet they would still be smuggling heroin today if they hadnt been caught

[crosbystills]

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@nevynreally wrote:

So do we ignore the law that other countries have when we visit?

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Those naughty allied soldiers and airmen, breaking the law in Nazi Germany by escaping from the camps.

I find it particularly distasteful that the governor of Bali is calling for these men not to be executed. Not to be executed on his turf, that is.  

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/01/25/bali-governor-wants-executions-elsewhere0.html

"'If it's possible, please not in Bali, just somewhere else,' he told reporters, without giving his reasons.

[polksaladallie]

I know what his reasons are....$$$$$$$$$$$

Gotta keep the Aussie Bogans coming.  oi, oi, oi

[crosbystills]

Exactly

[nevynreally]

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@crosbystills wrote:

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@nevynreally wrote:

So do we ignore the law that other countries have when we visit?

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Those naughty allied soldiers and airmen, breaking the law in Nazi Germany by escaping from the camps.

I find it particularly distasteful that the governor of Bali is calling for these men not to be executed. Not to be executed on his turf, that is.  

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/01/25/bali-governor-wants-executions-elsewhere0.html

"'If it's possible, please not in Bali, just somewhere else,' he told reporters, without giving his reasons.

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Apples and oranges. Not to mention offensive.

So we just let loose? Everyone can do what they want when they want?

[crosbystills]

No, but no country has the moral right to make any damned law they please. And we are morally bankrupt if we we don't challenge things like flogging for blogging, which is happening in the Middle East right now. 

It's not black and white i.e. death penalty or free heroin for everyone.

I hardly see how invoking the brave acts of those in WW2, standing up against an oppressive regime, should offend anyone.

[nevynreally]

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@crosbystills wrote:

No, but no country has the moral right to make any damned law they please. And we are morally bankrupt if we we don't challenge things like flogging for blogging, which is happening in the Middle East right now. 

It's not black and white i.e. death penalty or free heroin for everyone.

I hardly see how invoking the brave acts of those in WW2, standing up against an oppressive regime, should offend anyone.

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The laws have been known for decades. The premise behind WW2 was henious. 

Again, apples and oranges.

[village_person]

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@bluecat*dancing wrote:

OMG! Were you there when they did that?

I'm glad that they were caught before the heroin that they were trying to smuggle out hit the streets but I am not glad that they face the death penalty. They made a mistake, have spent ten years in a jail, away from home, with the knowledge that they could be executed at any time, and yet, they have turned their lives around.

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Well then perhaps you can regale us with stories about how they worked tirelessly in the community in Oz. Maybe Chan was a volunteer helping out the local emergency services team. How many days did Sukumaran work in the soup kitchen serving meals to the needy and destitute? Maybe the pair were active members of Youth Off the Street assisting young people with grog and drug problems.

Don't hold back; tell us all about their community work BEFORE they got detained for drug smuggling.