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@springyzone wrote:They certainly are (ducking for cover, that is).
I think this does fit Kazumi's comment because she said our government should have kept up quarantining new arrivals. I think we should have too, regardless of where they were coming from. 14 days mandatory, supervised quarantine (at their own expense).
In hind sight that would've been the right way to go about it but when the global health adviser WHO tells you
that it's not necessary and only people coming in from Wuhan should be quarantined you are supposed to
believe that advice.
This idea of self isolation was always going to be a bit of a joke. Blind freddy could see half the people would pretty well ignore that if they knew they could get away with it.
Ruby Princess passengers should all have been quarantined.
That was a NSW decision as Scomo had earlier that day said in a news conference that the ship wasn't
allowed to come into the harbour until they had been tested which meant after the results were in and NOT
before that.
But then again, we were letting people off planes too at that time and just letting them wander home where they may or may not have self isolated.
That is probably the most stupid decision they came up and it's probably why they have the unknown contacts
from as those people would've been strangers to the ones they infected.
I have already mentioned it on this forum but my sister was dealing with Chinese arriving from not that far from Wuhan area and coming into their dealership, buying up Mercedes cars, within 3 or 4 days of arriving here. Meant to be in self isolation but not concerned with little details like that. The aussie dollar was down, so it makes a mercedes seem a bargain price.
Or an ideal gift for helping to spread a virus and I wonder whether that happened worldwide
@go-tazz wrote:
@springyzone wrote:Or an ideal gift for helping to spread a virus and I wonder whether that happened worldwide
Some months ago Chinese investors purchased one of the wineries I lease sheep grazing land on. They did not visit the property even when they purchased it. They just relied on an Australian contact who came out and stood on top of a hill overlooking the property to say Yep we will purchase it. The Australian contact did not even drive over the property. It was simply just a paper shuffling exercise for them.
They have showed no interest in the business at all, shutting the cellar door, letting the public alcohol sales licence slip and not providing enough funds to provide for proper vineyard maintenance. Basically running the thing into the ground in a very short time.
Lo and behold, once the virus thing became public, but before Australia closed its borders, the Chinese owners where out here looking over their property and taking up residence in an investment house interstate. I was told if an international investor owns an Australian business over a certain value, ( such as a winery ) they are granted citizenship. ie. you can buy citizenship.
@davewil1964 wrote:
25% of the deaths have been directly related to the Ruby Princess. That is a fact, but it doesn't support your paradigm, so I guess it must be wrong.
Yes, you are right the situation is developing fast, but up till the Ruby Prince fiasco the most infections arrived directly from the USA and entered Australia without any checks, and dispersed all over Australia. By the way, 25% is NOT majority, not to mention that those infected on the ship could have very well been infected by somebody from the USA or Italy, as by the time they sailed, China was under lockdown.
This is few weeks out of date, but we are still having follow up infections from these cases.
The 1st death in China was recorded 11th January, Wuhan was in lockdown on the 23rdJanuary. At that time they had officially about the same number of infections we have now; not sure how many people were dead by then, but I imagine it would not be much more than the 66 we have now. OK, we seem to be on the plateau, while they were on upward trajectory. Still, we are talking about relaxing restrictions, yet somehow China did not do enough by keeping their country in lockown for several month?
More details
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/
Details for China
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/
@bright.ton42 wrote:
@*kazumi* wrote:The 1st death in China was recorded 11th January, Wuhan was in lockdown on the 23rdJanuary.
More details
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/
Details for China
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china/So it only took China 12 days to realize thart it was serious enoough for lockdown What was the rest of the world doing? What was WHO doing? Wy did it take so long for the rest of us to realize the gravity of this?
Information on the epidemic was notified to WHO on 3 January, and whole genome sequences of the COVID-19 virus were shared with WHO on 10 January.
According to WHO's first report deaths were happening earlier but only reported in one hit on the 10th.
@bright.ton42 wrote:
So it only took China 12 days to realize thart it was serious enoough for lockdown What was the rest of the world doing? What was WHO doing? Wy did it take so long for the rest of us to realize the gravity of this?
This was their recommendation on the 20th of February when they had known and not informed the rest of the
world beforehand and when they had every opprtunity to do so and instead they adhered to China's reponse
calls and praised China instead of warning the rest of the world earlier.
This is all the Governments of the world had to go on and it arrived weeks to late and it was nowhere near
good enough.
For countries with imported cases and/or outbreaks of COVID-191.
1.Immediately activate the highest level of national Response Management protocols to ensurethe all-of-government and all-of-society approach needed to contain COVID-19 with non-pharmaceutical public health measures;
2.Prioritize active, exhaustive case finding and immediate testing and isolation, painstaking contact tracing and rigorous quarantine of close contacts;
3.Fully educate the general public on the seriousness of COVID-19 and their role in preventing its spread;
4.Immediately expand surveillance to detect COVID-19 transmission chains, by testing all patients with atypical pneumonias, conducting screening in some patients with upper respiratory illnesses and/or recent COVID-19 exposure, and adding testing for the COVID-19 virus to existing surveillance systems (e.g. systems for influenza-like-illness and SARI);and
5.Conduct multi-sector scenario planning and simulations for the deployment of even more stringent measures to interrupttransmission chains as needed (e.g. the suspension of large-scale gatherings and the closure of schools and workplaces).
