Coronavirus update

[davidc4430]

Coronavirus update: Formula One Grand Prix called off, Trump announces travel ban, Tom Hanks tests positive

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-12/coronavirus-live-updates-mclaren-lewis-hamilton-travel-ban/12...

[davidc4430]

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@imastawka wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

Lone Melbourne to Sunshine Coast passenger flies into hotel quarantine under police guard

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-09/lone-melbourne-to-sunshine-coast-passenger-in-hotel-quarantin...

why would the airline fly 1 passenger?

it makes no sense

but then there are so many 'it makes no sense' events right now

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So looking at the photo accompanying that story....are the whole crew going into lockdown?

And why not?  There was certainly no social distancing / masks for the photo.

Maureen Ellis was the only passenger on board the first flight from Melbourne to the Sunshine Coast.(Supplied: Maureen Ellis)

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did the plane fly back straight away in hope to pickup 1 more passenger?

or

maybe they flew to sydney and were allowed to get off and go wherever they wanted to?

[chameleon54]

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@myoclon1cjerk wrote:
The virus isn't 'stamped out' and won't be until a vaccine is developed. Two or three slip through the net and any city or state could face the same predicament as Victoria.

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It certainly isn't stamped out Australia wide, but several states including S.A. have not recorded any cases from people inside the state for up to two months. Way past the incubation period. The only recent cases in S.A. have come from new arrivals from interstate or overseas who have been tested on entering the state and found to be actively carrying the virus. 

@myoclon1cjerk  Your post is correct and identifies why it is so important for South Australia to retain very tight border controls until other states have eradicated community transmission. The cost to the health of our states elderly, our lifestyle and our economy are too great to just open borders and let the virus back in. No state wants to go through lockdown again if it can be avoided.

[davidc4430]

One of nine Melbourne public housing towers to remain in strict quarantine due to coronavirus infections

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-09/melbourne-public-housing-towers-one-to-remain-under-lockdown/...

its prolly a good example of why these high rise slums are a bad idea

in saving money by 'housing' thousands on a small site we have built huge virus incubators

we certainly have become the clever country

we have millions of acres of vacant land in this country but we feel the need to house people in these stupid places

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

One of nine Melbourne public housing towers to remain in strict quarantine due to coronavirus infections

its prolly a good example of why these high rise slums are a bad idea

we have millions of acres of vacant land in this country but we feel the need to house people in these stupid places

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I think you and I differ greatly on what constitutes a “slum”

This is a slum

And this is high-rise public housing

I think there is a great difference between the two.

Drinkable running water, electricity, flushable toilets, sanitary cooking facilities . . . just to name a few.

[rogevibe]

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@springyzone wrote:

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@chameleon54 wrote:

Hopefully it will make the S.A. Premier think a little harder before opening any borders up. It appears that S.A. has managed to stamp the virus out and we are lucky to be experiencing life as per normal in the state. Why would you risk that by opening borders with states that still have active community transmission?

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I'm in Vic and I have felt all along that the other states should have shut their borders to Vic & NSW. NSW appears to be practically over it at the moment (only 5 active cases, according to the covid live site) but whether it can be contained in metro Melbourne, I don't know.

Once this virus gets going, there is no stopping it.

Best to just let it rage through Vic, we don't need the whole of Aust coming down with it.

One annoying/.worrying thing our Dan had to say yesterda was that there were too many new cases coming up for his workers to track the transmission. With a population of over 6 million in the state, I wonder why there were not contingency plans to be able to cope with up to 200 cases a day, it was always a possibility this would happen, it isn't as if they haven't had months to prepare.

Other states, stay shut till the end of the year if you can or until this virus is down close to zero in every state.

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issuing so many VIC/NSW border town crossing permits and managing crossings is a huge workload  with questionable manageability for very high normal daily crossings - any of whom may contract the virus

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As the NSW border towns are tied to VIC for commerce and employment and VIC likewise - would it be best for NSW to shift a contagion border northwards to the east/west A20 line , and enforce at various points south of that line along south bound roads according to demographics issuing passes for the sparsely scattered population and so more easily able to test each nominal A20 border crosser every time to ensure no northwards vectors 

The south check points below the A20 line would be a question of where is normal for people to do their regional shopping

Maybe 

Albury vs Wagga , Swan Hill vs Hay , Barham vs Deniliquin , Moama vs Finley , - to define the check points 

NSW borders towns tied to VIC for commercial expediency will have to be left to Victorian mitigation efforts .... 

[lionrose.7]

Welcome to New Zealand

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12346829

[k1ooo-slr-sales]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

One of nine Melbourne public housing towers to remain in strict quarantine due to coronavirus infections

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-09/melbourne-public-housing-towers-one-to-remain-under-lockdown/...

its prolly a good example of why these high rise slums are a bad idea

in saving money by 'housing' thousands on a small site we have built huge virus incubators

we certainly have become the clever country

we have millions of acres of vacant land in this country but we feel the need to house people in these stupid places

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okay, I replied before taking issue with your “slums” comment in the above post.

Now I am going to take issue with what you posted based on some ‘facts’ . . . . ‘facts’ that are in the link you provided. You take such a strong stand on the high-rise public housing, denouncing them with language such as slums, virus incubators, and stupid places.

For the nine towers:

- two of these had no cases (hardly virus incubators there!)

- six others had a low enough level of cases to be moved onto the same restrictions as everyone else in Melbourne, so no more a risk than the general population in Melbourne

- any positive cases in those six being subject to the higher home quarantine restriction (appropriate action)

- only one of those towers has cases at a level to remain on the strict shut down (I know you acknowledge this in your post)

The residents of these public housing places probably need to live in the city so that they can access public transport, employment, education and support facilities (counselling, medical, family etc).

What you call slums may well be some people’s castles, and the language you use doesn’t distinguish between the acceptable units in those high-rises and the ones that may be in a much less liveable condition.

[chameleon54]

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@k1ooo-slr-sales wrote:

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@davidc4430 wrote:

One of nine Melbourne public housing towers to remain in strict quarantine due to coronavirus infections

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-09/melbourne-public-housing-towers-one-to-remain-under-lockdown/...

its prolly a good example of why these high rise slums are a bad idea

in saving money by 'housing' thousands on a small site we have built huge virus incubators

we certainly have become the clever country

we have millions of acres of vacant land in this country but we feel the need to house people in these stupid places

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okay, I replied before taking issue with your “slums” comment in the above post.

Now I am going to take issue with what you posted based on some ‘facts’ . . . . ‘facts’ that are in the link you provided. You take such a strong stand on the high-rise public housing, denouncing them with language such as slums, virus incubators, and stupid places.

For the nine towers:

- two of these had no cases (hardly virus incubators there!)

- six others had a low enough level of cases to be moved onto the same restrictions as everyone else in Melbourne, so no more a risk than the general population in Melbourne

- any positive cases in those six being subject to the higher home quarantine restriction (appropriate action)

- only one of those towers has cases at a level to remain on the strict shut down (I know you acknowledge this in your post)

The residents of these public housing places probably need to live in the city so that they can access public transport, employment, education and support facilities (counselling, medical, family etc).

What you call slums may well be some people’s castles, and the language you use doesn’t distinguish between the acceptable units in those high-rises and the ones that may be in a much less liveable condition.

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There's no doubt we have been spoiled in Australia with most people living in houses that would be considered a palace any where else. The towers are pretty standard fare for more populous cities in America, England etc.

One thing that makes these " slums " is the concentration of residents with high needs but little support. Yesterday I had coffee with a young couple who lived across from the towers a couple of years ago. They claim it was a festering, frightening place with absolutely rampant crime and drug use.They are pretty worldly but where not game to go outside at all after dark. They got out of there as quick as they could.

I hate to say it, but having two housing trust houses built behind me in a regular suburb with other non housing trust residents all around is a good policy. We have had several residents that have had " social issues " and the regular residents have pulled them into line.

One example is high frequency drug dealing. Every time they start dealing drugs, the police and housing trust are called and it stops. This has happened several times to the point they have got the message and it is no longer a problem. Most of the kids who grew up there would have been headed for inter generational reliance on welfare, but with the example and support of the local community have all progressed to normal working lives. The ( Gillard Labor government ) policy of dispersing long term welfare recipients into the community through public housing has been successful and is the answer to the tower issue. People just have to get over the NIMBY factor.

[springyzone]

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@davidc4430 wrote:

One of nine Melbourne public housing towers to remain in strict quarantine due to coronavirus infections

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07-09/melbourne-public-housing-towers-one-to-remain-under-lockdown/...

its prolly a good example of why these high rise slums are a bad idea

in saving money by 'housing' thousands on a small site we have built huge virus incubators

we certainly have become the clever country

we have millions of acres of vacant land in this country but we feel the need to house people in these stupid places

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The point is, most of those residents wouldn't go out to the countryside. Before the virus, there was nothing stopping them.

Just about all the migrants head to the big cities.

Most of the people in the high rises are probably poorer people and a lot would be on welfare and sorry to say it, but having a lot of welfare people all together often makes for trouble.

The buildings themselves though aren't necessarily slums or didn't need to be.

Most people in China live in high rises and they don't think of it as slumming it.The problem isn't so much the buildings but some of the people in them.

Also worth noting that China has successfully contained the virus, considering the billions of people who live in that country and the fact most live in high rise in the big cities.

They did it by coming down very hard on people. Not suggesting we go in quite as hard because I suspect the Chinese killed a few in the early stages, but going in hard obviously works. Softly, softly, as in USA & UK doesn't work.

[*kazumi*]

But the airlines transport more than passengers.  Hopefully they were full of parcels.