Coronavirus update

[davidc4430]

Coronavirus update: Formula One Grand Prix called off, Trump announces travel ban, Tom Hanks tests positive

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-12/coronavirus-live-updates-mclaren-lewis-hamilton-travel-ban/12...

[chameleon54]

Nice we can agree on something Stawks. With holiday season, Christmas and warm Summer days coming, Victoria could not pick a better time to come out of lockdowns, get the economy going again and lift peoples spirits.  It would be a tragedy if the borders remain open and some stupid person from the Adelaide hotspot decides to go on a road trip to Melbourne.

[not_for_sale2025]

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@imastawka wrote:

Deb, I probably didn't recognize it as Chameleon's cos his posts are so long winded and boring to the point of sleep inducing.

I give a kudo for many reasons.

Some are just to acknowledge that I have read them.

Some to support the poster's point of view, and I agree with it, and lots cos they make me chuckle.

But why I give them and who I give them to shouldn't come into it.

I also thought it bizarre that Chameleon checked who gave you a kudo.

I thought only 4Channel did weird things like that.

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Well I must be weird too. I sometimes check kudos. There is a poster here whom I have had many exchanges with and who sometimes gets nasty. Yet I have noticed that person has given me several kudos in other threads. I may be wrong, but that suggests to me that the person does not hold a grudge and is fair. It has helped me size up the character of some posters. While it only amounts to educational guesswork, I like thinking I have a fair idea about the characters of the posters I communicate with.

[chameleon54]

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@imastawka wrote:

Deb, I probably didn't recognize it as Chameleon's cos his posts are so long winded and boring to the point of sleep inducing.

I give a kudo for many reasons.

Some are just to acknowledge that I have read them.

Some to support the poster's point of view, and I agree with it, and lots cos they make me chuckle.

But why I give them and who I give them to shouldn't come into it.

I also thought it bizarre that Chameleon checked who gave you a kudo.

I thought only 4Channel did weird things like that.

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You all still seem to read them thoroughly, remember them, love to hate them and have to argue with them all the time...........

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As springys post on another thread alluded to, you might hate my posts, but you would miss me if I was gone...........

[domino-710]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

Nice we can agree on something Stawks. With holiday season, Christmas and warm Summer days coming, Victoria could not pick a better time to come out of lockdowns, get the economy going again and lift peoples spirits.  It would be a tragedy if the borders remain open and some stupid person from the Adelaide hotspot decides to go on a road trip to Melbourne.

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Knowing that which others have had to endure for months - why does SA not close her borders to Victoria.

Keep the contagion in - and deal with it.

[chameleon54]

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@domino-710 wrote:

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@chameleon54 wrote:

Nice we can agree on something Stawks. With holiday season, Christmas and warm Summer days coming, Victoria could not pick a better time to come out of lockdowns, get the economy going again and lift peoples spirits.  It would be a tragedy if the borders remain open and some stupid person from the Adelaide hotspot decides to go on a road trip to Melbourne.

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Knowing that which others have had to endure for months - why does SA not close her borders to Victoria.

Keep the contagion in - and deal with it.

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Interesting idea. I guess it comes down to established protocol and chain of responsibility. It is the South Australian governments responsibility to protect its citizens. Responsibility for the protection of Victorian citizens rests with the Victorian government. Some other state administrations have already closed their borders with South Australia.

N.S.W has a policy of managing small outbreaks on an ongoing basis, rather than closing borders. Their state, their prerogative. I would have thought that having gone through so much to eradicate the virus from Victoria completely, it would make sense for them to maintain Zero cases if they can and not let the whole thing blow up again. The results of another outbreak in Victoria and many more months of lockdowns, doesn't bare thinking about.

[domino-710]

Interesting idea.

Hello - Victoria has taken the brunt - suffered the consequences of their borders.

Surely Steve can step up - close his for his people.

Keep it where it is - confine it - erradicate it.

Take the hit of the costs as has Victoria.

[davidc4430]

Three more cases added to Adelaide's Parafield coronavirus cluster bring total to 23

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-11-17/more-cases-added-to-northern-adelaide-coronavirus-cluster/128...

[chameleon54]

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@domino-710 wrote:

Interesting idea.

Hello - Victoria has taken the brunt - suffered the consequences of their borders.

Surely Steve can step up - close his for his people.

Keep it where it is - confine it - erradicate it.

Take the hit of the costs as has Victoria.

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I suspect its not as simple as all that. Border closures fall under constitutional law. States have been able to close borders to protect residents based on pandemic laws, state of emergency laws etc established as part of our constitutional legislation ( and there is already questions about the legality of that )

. To simply close a border to prevent uninfected residents leaving would be tantamount to a police state. While some people may support police state rules, I suspect the majority including lefty constitutional lawyers and citizen rights organisations might have a fair bit to say over it. ( and I would agree with them )

It all gets back to Dan Andrews stepping up and following the lead of other states to protect Victorians. If the Victorian Premier is incompetent and too slow to act you cant blame everyone else for the consequences. 

[go-tazz]

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@chameleon54 wrote:

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It appears almost bizarre to me that Dan Andrews would risk going through all of that again by his tardy response to the South Australian outbreak.

Why? 

Adelaide/Salisbury is 300 kms away from the Victorian border and SA only has cases in Adelaide so why close the border?

Melbourne is another 400 kms from there.

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I just cant get my head around the fact that during the Victorian COVID outbreak, people where not allowed to leave home, except for a few direct reasons and even then, remain within 5 km. of their home, but some-one from Salsibury Adelaide at the centre of this outbreak can hop in a car and drive through Victorian country towns, stopping for fuel and refreshments and visit relatives in Melbourne, going out to pubs for dinner, shop in the malls for Christmas goodies etc.

No they can't as Adelaide has been declared a hot spot so no one from there is allowed into any part of Victoria.

For heavens sake, Victorians have had to endure enough already. I get it that South Australia was the first state to announce re-opening its border with Victoria at day 14 of donuts, ( following the science to the letter ) but WHY would an administration risk puting Victorians through all of that again now that S.A. has had a sizable outbreak ?

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34 cases that are hundreds of kms from the Vic border and it's probably a wait and see like NSW and Queensland did when Vic reported cases.

Hopefully we don't get the idiots that decided to travel across the borders from hotspots as they did to NSW and Qld which weren't stopped at check points as they lied.

[domino-710]

Why don't you SA's protect others.

Police state - my A$$$$se - Victoria - shouldn't have to close her borders to protect herself from you.

You should be doing it to protect not only your own - but others.

Always two sides to a coin.