Displacing Indigenous Australians

[donnashuggy]

I'm extremely confused, are they or aren't they?

[bushies.girl]

They DO like to play the RACIST card, dont they?

[i-need-a-martini]

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@idlewhile wrote:

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The RFDS is free, hospitals are free (unless they choose otherwise), school is free, they also get government handouts if they are eligible, they get government farming subsidies, etc, etc.

Apples and oranges

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Not one of the things you mentioned is free. That is what I was addressing not a cobbled up statistic from the HRC which is rampantly partisan and biased.

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Actually ALL of them are free.

Free to all isolated communities - indigenous settlements, remote towns, outstations, cattlestations.

All of these people can call on these services and there is no charge to them.

[idlewhile]

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@polksaladallie wrote:

They are free, and should be free to all who need them.

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***sigh**** if they are free then where does the money come from?

[polksaladallie]

Not from the consumers.    SIGH

[i-need-a-martini]

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@bushies.girl wrote:

Perhaps you need to set up a tent Embassy like they did in Portland and then complain because the local council wouldnt provide them with toilets, electricty and running water as was their "right"

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Where do you get your info from lol?

The only thing they complained about was what they were protesting about - land rights.

They actually had toilets and electricity. We know this because council confiscated generators and portable toilets when they (illegally) came through and removed everything in the square.

[idlewhile]

Where does the money come from? It's a simple question, if all these services are free then please enlighten us all as to where the money comes from to pay for all these so called free services.

I'll give you a clue, income tax, tax on income from workers.

[gleee58]

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@idlewhile wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@bushies.girl wrote:

Most of those people be working, paying tax, paying a medicare levy, paying to build their houses, paying to see a doctor, paying to be in hospital, paying to have their essential services connected/installed.

Kids living there are able to be educated via home schooling, via the net, all paid for by their parents.

They are not provided with all this for NOTHING

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The RFDS is free, hospitals are free (unless they choose otherwise), school is free, they also get government handouts if they are eligible, they get government farming subsidies, etc, etc.

Apples and oranges

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Not one thing you mentioned is free. We all pay for these services one way or another. The RFDS is subsidised and they also rely on fund raising to keep going.

Farmers and graziers are the backbone of this country and they pay taxes just like all of us. If they get fuel subsidies well they deserve it, urban welfare recipients and remote communities  do not contribute.

So apples and oranges?

It can't be compared to sit down money that has destroyed the aboriginal race, never allowed them to catch up, drugs, alcohol and petrol sniffing has ruined families and sexual abuse and violence is just a normal part of everyday life for some.

If the gap is to be closed, then all aboriginal people need to get up, get out of the destructive cycle and enter the 21st century.

This will never happen, has not happened even though billions of dollars has been thrown at it, it's time to take another direction even if they don't like it it's better than doing nothing for another 200years.

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BS.  RFDS, hospitals, schooling, etc.are all free to the consumer, even those in remote areas.   

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We pay for these services with our taxes. This is the myth perpetrated by many that all the welfare entitlements are free, doctors visits, hospitals and educatiion is free.

NO it isn't never has been and never will be. OUR taxes pay for it all. The working people of Australia pay for these services by paying income tax.

They are free to the people who do not participate in the workforce and therefore they don't pay tax to contribute to their use of these services.

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Oh wah, wah, wah.  As the poster said those services are offered free of charge to the user, many of whom are regular fundraisers for such services and are regular tax payers.

Your assumption that indigenous folk don't work is incorrect.

[cherry*135]

Where do you get your info from lol?

Not from a reliable source obviously.  No details, just a lot of hooey.

Any person that works and earns up to $18 200 p.a doesn't pay any tax either.

[cherry*135]

idlewhile wrote:

This is the myth perpetrated by many that all the welfare entitlements are free, doctors visits, hospitals and educatiion is free.

NO it isn't never has been and never will be. OUR taxes pay for it all. The working people of Australia pay for these services by paying income tax.

They are free to the people who do not participate in the workforce and therefore they don't pay tax to contribute to their use of these services.

Those are free public services - public schools, public hospitals, bulk bill clinics - available to all.

Public goods -  commodity or service that is provided without profit to all members of a society, either by the government or by a private individual or organization.

[idlewhile]

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@gleee58 wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@idlewhile wrote:

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@polksaladallie wrote:

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@bushies.girl wrote:

Most of those people be working, paying tax, paying a medicare levy, paying to build their houses, paying to see a doctor, paying to be in hospital, paying to have their essential services connected/installed.

Kids living there are able to be educated via home schooling, via the net, all paid for by their parents.

They are not provided with all this for NOTHING

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The RFDS is free, hospitals are free (unless they choose otherwise), school is free, they also get government handouts if they are eligible, they get government farming subsidies, etc, etc.

Apples and oranges

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Not one thing you mentioned is free. We all pay for these services one way or another. The RFDS is subsidised and they also rely on fund raising to keep going.

Farmers and graziers are the backbone of this country and they pay taxes just like all of us. If they get fuel subsidies well they deserve it, urban welfare recipients and remote communities  do not contribute.

So apples and oranges?

It can't be compared to sit down money that has destroyed the aboriginal race, never allowed them to catch up, drugs, alcohol and petrol sniffing has ruined families and sexual abuse and violence is just a normal part of everyday life for some.

If the gap is to be closed, then all aboriginal people need to get up, get out of the destructive cycle and enter the 21st century.

This will never happen, has not happened even though billions of dollars has been thrown at it, it's time to take another direction even if they don't like it it's better than doing nothing for another 200years.

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BS.  RFDS, hospitals, schooling, etc.are all free to the consumer, even those in remote areas.   

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We pay for these services with our taxes. This is the myth perpetrated by many that all the welfare entitlements are free, doctors visits, hospitals and educatiion is free.

NO it isn't never has been and never will be. OUR taxes pay for it all. The working people of Australia pay for these services by paying income tax.

They are free to the people who do not participate in the workforce and therefore they don't pay tax to contribute to their use of these services.

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Oh wah, wah, wah.  As the poster said those services are offered free of charge to the user, many of whom are regular fundraisers for such services and are regular tax payers.

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BS.  RFDS, hospitals, schooling, etc.are all free to the consumer, even those in remote areas.   but still not free

Your assumption that indigenous folk don't work is incorrect. I made no such assumption nor did I say that indiginous people don't work.

Before you jump on the band wagon get your comments right, maybe a fact not an suumption will suffice.

wah wah wah is antagonistic and uncalled for.