Heated discussion thread - Politics, Religion and anything else

[ufo_investigations]

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[rabbitearbandicoot]

ufo, if you want a heated discussion - respond to my post about graven images.

[ufo_investigations]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

ufo, if you want a heated discussion - respond to my post about graven images.

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I don't make any graven images.

[iapetus_rocks]

Graven images, whether graved in stone or in wood or drawn on paper are  the physical representations of images which have been engraved on the mind,  (it works just as well for politics, but we're talking about religion here)

Islam doesn't allow the representation in images of its prophet or its god and doesn't like the representation in images of any living creature.

Islam is a religion which places the Idea first and doesn't allow anything which distracts from that.  No representation in image of any living creature. (or of any dead living creature 😉

Islam is not into idol worship.

(is that black stone set into the Ka'ba in Mecca an idol? and are they idolators who circle it in a certain direction?)

On the other hand, Christianity is big on images. you know what I mean. . . . saints, crosses, people hanging from crosses, people weeping at the foot of crosses, gargoyles and devils, the whole shebang of representative imagery.

 Islam doesn't need or want imagery in order to convince. Islam decorates its mosques with texts from the Koran; with words.

rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

" . . . if you want a heated discussion - respond to my post about graven images."

It's late and I did look back but I must have missed it or it was buried in a link which I didn't open,

Images only serve to represent an idea. In themselves images are nothing; only pieces of stone or plaster or wood or ink on paper.

Images can be inspirational, but sometimes the images themselves are worshipped.

Sometimes we worship images but we forget to act out  in our daily lives the message  which those images represent.

We can't or don't or we refuse to see the forest because we are too engrossed in looking at a quaint carving made from one of its trees.

[iapetus_rocks]

I just read back a bit .  The bible is not the word of god and the koran is not the word of god and the torah is not the word of god.

They are all books written by men which contain words. We need to read such books critically and carefully.

I'd like to see a text signed . . . . Written by God, with witness testimony to back it up.

If these books tell us or ask us to treat our neighbours badly, then in what way are these books worthy of any respect at all?

Apply the Golden Rule test. If  these texts fail that test ; if that religious message fails that test, then throw it in the rubbish tip where it deserves to lie and rot.

[ufo_investigations]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

I just read back a bit .  The bible is not the word of god and the koran is not the word of god and the torah is not the word of god.

They are all books written by men which contain words. We need to read such books critically and carefully.

I'd like to see a text signed . . . . Written by God, with witness testimony to back it up.

If these books tell us or ask us to treat our neighbours badly, then in what way are these books worthy of any respect at all?

Apply the Golden Rule test. If  these texts fail that test ; if that religious message fails that test, then throw it in the rubbish tip where it deserves to lie and rot.

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The FIRE of HELL will be your destiny if you don't follow the Bible. 😉

[ufo_investigations]

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@imastawka wrote:

Now I know nearly everyone has seen this, but maybe some lurkers haven't.

And in any case - It's Python,  I could watch Python all day.       Hahahahaha

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hahahah I really like this. This is how this thread should be HEATED ARGUMENTS

[k0llectable5]

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@iapetus_rocks wrote:

I just read back a bit .  The bible is not the word of god and the koran is not the word of god and the torah is not the word of god.

They are all books written by men which contain words. We need to read such books critically and carefully.

I'd like to see a text signed . . . . Written by God, with witness testimony to back it up.

If these books tell us or ask us to treat our neighbours badly, then in what way are these books worthy of any respect at all?

Apply the Golden Rule test. If  these texts fail that test ; if that religious message fails that test, then throw it in the rubbish tip where it deserves to lie and rot.

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I like your posts Iapetus, they are well thought out and articulate, but you seem to have very little faith in anything other than scientific theory and honestly I dont think you are going to concvince anyone, who is is a true believer, that the religious texts/scriptures are simply just the words of men.  I'm sure you've heard of inspiration, it's an amazing thing.  No one really knows where or how they become inspired to write these things, there is no scientific explanation for it.  But it's real and many believe it to be a gift from God.  Yes men wrote those texts, but can you prove without a shadow of a doubt that they were NOT inspired by God to write them?

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

ufo, if you want a heated discussion - respond to my post about graven images.

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I don't make any graven images.

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Probably not MAKE any, but I bet you have some in your house that you kneel before / bow down to. If not in your house then there are plenty in every Catholic Church {insert most Protestant churches here too}, and plenty of people that kneel before them or bow down to them or cross themselves in front of them. 

I studied with the Mormons once. Was going along fine until they got out a photo of Joseph Smith and asked me to kneel in front of it and pray. 

[ufo_investigations]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

ufo, if you want a heated discussion - respond to my post about graven images.

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I don't make any graven images.

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Probably not MAKE any, but I bet you have some in your house that you kneel before / bow down to. If not in your house then there are plenty in every Catholic Church {insert most Protestant churches here too}, and plenty of people that kneel before them or bow down to them or cross themselves in front of them. 

I studied with the Mormons once. Was going along fine until they got out a photo of Joseph Smith and asked me to kneel in front of it and pray. 

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I don't have any images in my house.  I follow the writings of the Bible I don't need a Priest, a Church, images or the Pope to make me believe the Bible.

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