Heaven and hell is real

[rabbitearbandicoot]

Jesus the man may have been born a Jew from Mary - but certainly not Jesus the Spirit Being - the one in Heaven seated at the right hand of HIS FATHER and HIS GOD - the one that was in HEAVEN for billions of years before earth was created.

[ufo_investigations]

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@secondhand-wonderland wrote:

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@ufo_investigations wrote:

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

ufo:"So to answer your question God himself must be a Jew. This is my opinion."

Oh! Please!  Whatever next? God, the Creator of Everything - billions of years before any man was made, let alone any nation - is a JEW.

Please talk to a Priest QUICKLY. They don't know much about the truth but I think you will be excommunicated.

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huh? Catholics don't have 3 Gods. Jesus, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit is our God.

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Now I'm totally confused.  Do you believe that Jesus and God are one and the same?  Or that Jesus' father is the one true God? Or The one true God is the father, son and the Holy Spirit or that Jesus is God and the father, son and the Holy spirit? 

Because I thought most Christians believed in God (the father) and Jesus (the divine son of God) 2 seperate entities.  

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God for Catholics is One God, "Father, Son and Holy Spirit."

No. There is no 2 entities. Only 1 God.

[Anonymous]

Now I'm totally confused.  Do you believe that Jesus and God are one and the same?  Or that Jesus' father is the one true God? Or The one true God is the father, son and the Holy Spirit or that Jesus is God and the father, son and the Holy spirit? 

try these:

http://www.everystudent.com/forum/trinity.html  (simple explanation)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

edit:

look at the diagram in second link.

[rabbitearbandicoot]

secondhand "Because I thought most Christians believed in God (the father) and Jesus (the divine son of God) 2 seperate entities."

If only we could convince them that the above is TRUE. Unfortunately, the Roman Church invented the Trinity Doctrine (or rather incororated that earlier Pagan teaching into the Roman Church) and when the Protestants broke away they took that and other lies with them.

[Anonymous]

ah so that's your angle -

wanting to convince others.

[ufo_investigations]

Someone said earlier that we all worship the same God. It was suggested Islam worship same god as us. I don't agree with this at all. The First Commandment makes it clear about who I am to worship. Secondly if a Muslim believes it is the same God why don't Muslims convert to Catholic if the God is the same? Allah is their supreme holy god they wont convert. That answers that question in case someone else is wondering.

[imastawka]

Good diagram,  julia

   

[Anonymous]

yes, that's the one. thanks

[rabbitearbandicoot]

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

ah so that's your angle -

wanting to convince others.

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No, I have no angle. I know the truth and I am willing to share that truth but, having said that, I know that billions of people have been brainwashed by their Priests into accepting the LIES of TRINITY and HELLFIRE and will never change despite how logically I explain it to them. The Trinity is a mystery according to them, and they will keep blindly accepting that because  the church says so.

God is not a mystery. Jesus is not a mystery. The Holy Spirit is not a mystery. It's as plain as it could be.

[k0llectable5]

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@rabbitearbandicoot wrote:

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@*julia*2010 wrote:

ah so that's your angle -

wanting to convince others.

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No, I have no angle. I know the truth and I am willing to share that truth but, having said that, I know that billions of people have been brainwashed by their Priests into accepting the LIES of TRINITY and HELLFIRE and will never change despite how logically I explain it to them. The Trinity is a mystery according to them, and they will keep blindly accepting that because  the church says so.

God is not a mystery. Jesus is not a mystery. The Holy Spirit is not a mystery. It's as plain as it could be.

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Thats what I always thought.  Because I just cant quite grasp the whole three being one thing...I guess thats why I'm not a catholic. 

And as for that diagram how can  the father be God and God be the Holy spirit yet the father is not the holy spirit?