Keep your Gonski promise Mr Abbott

[donnashuggy]

If you give a gonski apparently there is a petition on the gonski site.

You can see what your school stands to gain on the site:

http://igiveagonski.com.au/whats-gonski/your-school/

[nevynreally]

Nevermind. more freebies, can't pay for anything, should be provided. 

[lakeland27]

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@nevynreally wrote:

When did schools become a federal issue? They are under the warm blanket of the respective States. Guess it's good fodder for some not to acknowledge that.

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 a review of the education system and a definitive lack of talent in managing the money and the ed system at a state level ,  decades of mismanagement made it an issue.

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Oh please! Don't be so naive to think that the entire Gonski thing wasn't a political ploy.

Education has always been a State issue. Federal government getting involved is grandstanding.

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   says you and bolt. i have more regard for your opinion usually, but not on this occasion. make a point if you have one.

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No you don't, or you would have said so in the past. I made my point. Education is in the hands of the Statesl, and most of them have been held by Labour for a good  while now.

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yes i have, i just said nothing

[izabsmiling]

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@izabsmiling wrote:

Nev:Education is in the hands of the States

It hasn't been since earlier this year when The Australian Education Act 2013 was passed .....the former system was failing 

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And who decided that? Who was it who screwed with the system? Because, you know, been around a while, it wasn't broke.

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Where’s the funding?

For the past 20 years Australia has seen a decline in funding of public education that has led to a drift and now tidal flood of middle class families from our public schools.

Across the conservative states we have seen more than one billion dollars ripped out of public education in the last two years alone while spending on private education has remained constant or even increased.

If politicians and other educational commentators want to claim that funding for education has increased so much in the last 10 years for so little gain in educational outcomes then it is imperative that they actually base their claims on evidence.

What the facts indicate is that Australia’s education funding has not kept pace with the rest of the OECD education leaders disadvantaging our public schools and the children that they teach as a result.

Instead of the money going to where it’s needed, successive governments have shifted public funds to often already well-resourced private schools at the expense of our public education system.

Only the full implementation of the Gonski Review recommendations can turn this situation around and start to channel the much needed resources to those schools and children that need them most.

Dr David Zyngier is a Senior Lecturer in Curriculum and Pedagogy in the Faculty of Education at Monash University.

http://www.monash.edu.au/news/show/test-shock-is-our-education-system-failing-students

[nevynreally]

Well make Gonski a god and be done with it.

 But, okay, organised by Labour, so it's all good. This is what I have a problem with, the blind faith, the blaming of others, the not looking ahead of the next election.

[izabsmiling]

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@nevynreally wrote:

Well make Gonski a god and be done with it.

 But, okay, organised by Labour, so it's all good. This is what I have a problem with, the blind faith, the blaming of others, the not looking ahead of the next election.

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We don't have a gonski....or a model atm

atm we have our Federal Government saying they will give out our money to our States and Territories 

without strings ...that's all they are doing 

nothing else

[lakeland27]

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@nevynreally wrote:

Well make Gonski a god and be done with it.

 But, okay, organised by Labour, so it's all good. This is what I have a problem with, the blind faith, the blaming of others, the not looking ahead of the next election.

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 no , julia and wayne and kevin did not dream it up, they commissioned the report. the results are (well were) clear. its odd that anyone would doubt their commitment to education, there's little or no doubt its genuine. this mob however

[nevynreally]

It was rubbish from the get go. An undeliveral sweetener. Looked good on paper, and sucked you in.

[nevynreally]

Nevermind. Care factor over.

[*crikey*mate*]

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@lakeland27 wrote:

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@nevynreally wrote:

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@lakeland27 wrote:

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@nevynreally wrote:

When did schools become a federal issue? They are under the warm blanket of the respective States. Guess it's good fodder for some not to acknowledge that.

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 a review of the education system and a definitive lack of talent in managing the money and the ed system at a state level ,  decades of mismanagement made it an issue.

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Oh please! Don't be so naive to think that the entire Gonski thing wasn't a political ploy.

Education has always been a State issue. Federal government getting involved is grandstanding.

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   says you and bolt. i have more regard for your opinion usually, but not on this occasion. make a point if you have one.

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The point is that the Federal Government is not allowed to get involved in education. It is written in our Cosnstitution. They have to be "invited" they can't just take over....

LL, I'm not trying to be political. I don't believe that either govt's efforts will make any real difference.

I'm against the propaganda of how it is being sold to the public.

I'm against how this has once again been turned into a chance to take political pot shots and the hypocracy of the people who claim to be concerned.

The core issie with education isn't funding, but that's what we are being told by BOTH sides....

In here, it seems that no one is wanting to discuss the real issue, education and the Gonski is just being used as the vehicle to further a cause, that's all it is.

I think if Mr Abbott does reneg on the binding agreements then yeah, that's bad. I've said that.

But people here were protesting before they even knew if the new proposals would be better or worse.

as I said earlier, the hypocracy is deafening...

meh

another thought - if Gonski had been on the table for 2 years, why the push to get everyone signed up in the last days of office? If it was so well supported, then why the need? what were labor afraid of? why wouldn't 3 states sign? why hadn't 3 states reached binding bilateral agreements? and why did those who (apparently) did (still haven't actually seen proof of that) do it so quickly whilst others negotiated for longer?

LL, may I please ask why, when you are so against private education and pell et al, and bibles in schools etc that you chose to send your child to a catholic school?

[*crikey*mate*]

(5) Leaders in schools will have the resources, the skills, and greater
power, to make decisions and implement strategies at the local
level to obtain the best outcomes for their schools and school
students

hmmmm, isn't that what Pyne is proposing?