LNP Asylum policy has Failed....no stopping the boats now

[topsidesoul]

Turn back the boats eh?

Expect another in days and Abbotts promises to be worth nothing.

Hear that silence?....it's the people who made this a hot issue  months before the election....and declared a stop to the boats with a new PM......they are silent. as expected.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbott-government-ends-asylum-seeker-standoff-...

Tony Abbott's government capitulated to Indonesia on Friday night, ordering a Customs boat with up to 63 refugees on board to go to Christmas Island.

An asylum seeker in Indonesia contacted Fairfax Media early on Saturday to say the boat had reached the Australian territory on Saturday morning after Immigration Minister Scott Morrison failed to convince Indonesia to accept their return.

"I have friends on the boat," the asylum seeker said in a text message, "and yesterday he says, 'My boat [has] reached.'"

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The source said the people on board were from Pakistan and Afghanistan, and had been organised by people smugglers called Muzahir and Sher Ali.

The arrival is a loss of face for the Coalition, which vowed before the election that Australian authorities would not act as a taxi service for refugees. It may also encourage other people smuggling syndicates to try their hand.

[poddster]

Not to forget swannie's promised budget surplus over 6 years. He never even came close and instead the deficit just grew

[cherry*135]

Hello? Is this thread about Tony Abbott's statements(promises) re turning back the boats or a previous Govt's budgets?

Australia's new Prime Minister Tony Abbott has vowed to turn asylum-seeker boats back to Indonesia -- from where many embark on the dangerous journey -- when it is safe to do so.

But Jakarta has received the policy coolly, and on Friday an official angrily rejected the idea of asylum seekers being returned to Java.

"The Indonesian government NEVER AGREED to such wishes or policies of Australia," Djoko Suyanto, co-ordinating minister for political, legal and security affairs told AFP in a text message.

[cherry*135]

Quote from AFP global news.

[j*oono]

Poor Tony.  What an embarrassment.  Hows about we get some news on asylum seekers instead of this awful silence that he has imposed?

[colic2bullsgirlore]

The Jakarta Post is not being too silent regarding said standoff..... Rupert needs to get the cheque book out

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/11/09/ri-oz-maritime-standoff.html

Indonesia and Australia were involved in a maritime standoff on Friday after Jakarta declined to accept a group of asylum seekers rescued by an Australian vessel.

Agus Barnas, a spokesman for the Office of the Coordinating Political, Legal, and Security Affairs Minister, said the government’s policy was that Indonesia should no longer accept asylum seekers from Australia.

Out of six asylum seeker boats rescued by Australian vessels recently, Indonesia declined to receive the last three requests for transfer, which happened between September and November, Agus said.

He explained that there was no agreement with Australia on the issue. “Foreign ministers from both countries discussed the issue in Bali [today] and there has been no progress,” he told The Jakarta Post over the phone on Friday.

Indonesia opposed the plan, with Foreign Minister Marty Natalegawa quoted by Australian media in July as saying that Jakarta would not accept asylum seekers being towed back from Australia.

and waddabout the covert phone surveillance???

Contacted separately, Hikmahanto Juwana, a professor of international law from the University of Indonesia, said governmental relations between the two countries would only worsen.

He said the atmosphere of distrust sparked over issues of wiretapping and asylum seekers “had strained relations indefinitely”.

“Only by addressing the issues openly can relations improve,” Hikmahanto said over the phone. (hrl/asw)

Just in case the coalition is not sure of the definition

openly

ˈəʊp(ə)nli/

adverb

adverb: openly

1.

without concealment, deception, or prevarication, especially where these might be expected; frankly or honestly.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/boat-pledge-an-issue-of-sovereignty/story-fni0fiyv-1226756508000

But with a little bit of newscorp spin... it does not seem so bad

TONY Abbott has warned ­Indonesia that his pledge to turn back the boats is a matter of sovereignty after Australia agreed to

back down and ­accept a boatload of 63 asylum seekers.

After a three-day ocean stand-off, Australia agreed to accept the asylum seekers today, despite the fact they were rescued just 43

nautical miles off Java.

But the Coalition said ­Indonesia had agreed to accept a number of several asylum seeker boats back since September's federal

election.

Senior Liberal sources have confirmed that the Prime Minister believed it was still possible ­Indonesia would have eventually

accepted the asylum seekers.

But the Government but did not want the stand-off to drag on into the Tuesday's opening of Parliament and overshadow the

carbon tax debate.

[colic2bullsgirlore]

http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2013/11/09/ri-oz-maritime-standoff.html

Out of six asylum seeker boats rescued by Australian vessels recently, Indonesia declined to receive the last three requests for transfer, which happened between September and November, Agus said.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/boat-pledge-an-issue-of-sovereignty/story-fni0fiyv-1226756508000

"On two recent occasions, Indonesia has agreed to these requests and facilitated an on water transfer,'' Mr Morrison said.

somebodies pants are on fire ????

[i-need-a-martini]

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@j*oono wrote:

Poor Tony.  What an embarrassment.  Hows about we get some news on asylum seekers instead of this awful silence that he has imposed?

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This is the most disgusting thing.

After bleating on and on about the 'left', the LNP is now behaving like a Communist regime. 

[colic2bullsgirlore]

Its not just asylum seekers that the coalition are keeping quiet

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/brandis-clams-up-on-foi-requests/story-fn59niix-122...

Following the Coalition's election victory, The Weekend Australian applied for the incoming government brief, or "blue book", under Freedom of Information laws, but was informed yesterday the documents were wholly exempt.

That is a significant and alarming departure from tradition -- Treasury briefs were released under Labor.

That rejection was later followed by a similar one from the department of Attorney-General George Brandis, who now has responsibility for FOI laws.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/cash-sought-for-foi-brief-releases-20131102-2w...

So whose money is it ??? The taxpayers or the taxpayers labourers ie MPs

Treasury and the Attorney-General's Department, both of which released their 2010 briefs, have refused requests, while the industry and employment departments, which also published their 2010 briefs, have ruled that requests are an unreasonable diversion of their resources.

He said there was no reason departments should not release briefs ''unless they've got something to hide''.

Senator Ludwig said taxpayers had a right to the information.

''This is a government wedded to secrecy,'' he said.

In refusing applications for briefs, Treasury has said that releasing the material would ''interfere with the establishment of an effective working relationship between the Treasury and Treasurer''.

Following the Coalition's election victory, The Weekend Australian applied for the incoming government brief, or "blue book", under Freedom of Information laws, but was informed yesterday the documents were wholly exempt. That is a significant and alarming departure from tradition -- Treasury briefs were released under Labor.

That rejection was later followed by a similar one from the department of Attorney-General George Brandis, who now has responsibility for FOI laws.

- See more at: http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/brandis-clams-up-on-foi-requests/story-fn59niix-122...

[colic2bullsgirlore]

So if you want to sack someone Big tonzer

Why not start at the public servants that may lie when pressed for the truth

Dr Hawke said public servants needed to be able to give frank advice, but if they knew that advice could enter the public domain through FOI they might tailor it accordingly.

(tailor is pollie/public service speak for fibbing)

He said briefs being subject to FOI created a temptation for public servants to provide some advice orally only

then sack the wannabe fibbers Big Tonzer