Meat-Eaters: Defend why you eat meat.

 
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"Only those fossilized bones with butchery marks can confidently be tied to hominin diet (Blumenschine & Pobiner 2006). The earliest well-accepted evidence for this novel dietary behavior comes from about 2.6 Ma at the site of Gona, Ethiopia (Domรญnguez-Rodrigo et al. 2005). Probably not coincidentally, it's also around this time that we start to see the first evidence of archaeologically visible accumulations of stone tools (Semaw et al.2003). There may be evidence of hominin-butchered bones at 3.4 Ma at Dikika, Ethiopia (McPherron et al. 2010), where Australopithecus afarensisremains have been found, but this evidence consists of only a few bone specimens and has been disputed (Domรญnguez-Rodrigo et al. 2010). The earliest well documented evidence of persistent hominin carnivory from in situ excavated fossil fauna occurring in association with large concentrations of stone tools is at about 2.0 Ma at Kanjera, Kenya (Ferraro et al. 2013). In addition to terrestrial animals, evidence from one site at Koobi Fora shows that hominins began to incorporate aquatic foods like turtles, crocodiles, and fish into their diets by about 1.95 Ma (Braun et al.2010). Multiple localities at Olduvai Gorge, Tanzania, dating to 1.8 Ma also show evidence of in situ butchered mammal remains, ranging in size from hedgehogs to elephants; these are also associated with large numbers of stone tools (Domรญnguez-Rodrigo et al. 2007; Blumenschine & Pobiner 2006 and references therein). Three sites at Koobi Fora, Kenya, preserve evidence of several butchered mammals from about 1.5 Ma but are not found in association with any stone tools (Pobiner et al. 2008). Perhaps this signals a shift toward intentional specialization of activities, such as animal butchery and stone tool making, in different areas across the landscape. "

 

http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/evidence-for-meat-eating-by-early-humans-103874273



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We are not descended from these hominids. These are species that have become extinct, such as the Neanderthals, though at times I'm sure I see throwbacks in modern society.................. *giggle*.

 

We are of the species Homo Sapiens. Not designed to eat meat, even though we can. We cannot however thrive on an exclusively meat diet but must include large amounts of vegetable and fruit matter to maintain good health.

 

In case you missed it first time:

 

Are human beings anatomically more similar to natural carnivores or to natural herbivores? Letโ€™s find outโ€ฆ.

 

  • Intestinal tract length. Carnivorous animals have intestinal tracts that are 3-6x their body length, while herbivores have intestinal tracts 10-12x their body length. Human beings have the same intestinal tract ratio as herbivores.

 

  • Stomach acidity. Carnivoresโ€™ stomachs are 20x more acidic than the stomachs of herbivores. Human stomach acidity matches that of herbivores.

 

  • Saliva. The saliva of carnivores is acidic. The saliva of herbivores is alkaline, which helps pre-digest plant foods. Human saliva is alkaline.

 

  • Shape of intestines. Carnivore bowels are smooth, shaped like a pipe, so meat passes through quickly โ€” they donโ€™t have bumps or pockets. Herbivore bowels are bumpy and pouch-like with lots of pockets, like a windy mountain road, so plant foods pass through slowly for optimal nutrient absorption. Human bowels have the same characteristics as those of herbivores.

 

  • Fiber. Carnivores donโ€™t require fiber to help move food through their short and smooth digestive tracts. Herbivores require dietary fiber to move food through their long and bumpy digestive tracts, to prevent the bowels from becoming clogged with rotting food. Humans have the same requirement as herbivores.

 

  • Cholesterol. Cholesterol is not a problem for a carnivoreโ€™s digestive system. A carnivore such as a cat can handle a high-cholesterol diet without negative health consequences. A human cannot. Humans have zero dietary need for cholesterol because our bodies manufacture all we need. Cholesterol is only found in animal foods, never in plant foods. A plant-based diet is by definition cholesterol-free.

 

  • Claws and teeth. Carnivores have claws, sharp front teeth capable of subduing prey, and no flat molars for chewing. Herbivores have no claws or sharp front teeth capable of subduing prey, but they have flat molars for chewing. Humans have the same characteristics as herbivores.

 

But arenโ€™t humans anatomically suited to be omnivores?

Nope. We donโ€™t anatomically match up with omnivorous animals anymore than we do with carnivorous ones. Omnivores are more similar to carnivores than they are to herbivores. For a more detailed summary table that compares the properties of carnivores, herbivores, and omnivores side by side, see this page:

 

Comparative Anatomy & Taxonomy

 

The link above also debunks the opportunistic feeder theory, which states that because humans can eat like omnivores, that we must therefore be omnivores. And this is of course false because mere behavior doesnโ€™t indicate suitability. There are plenty of things we can do as a species that would threaten our survival if we all considered them suitable default behavior, such as shooting each other, lobbing hand grenades, or sending spam.

 

From Here

 

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Homo is the genus of hominids that includes modern humans and species closely related to them.

 

Guess we are related to them.

 

If herbivores cannot chew or digest meat.......humans are not herbivores.

 

Early to modern humans have been eating meat for around 2.6 million years..... we digest it just fine....lol.

 

It is strange that you relate to ruminants...giggle....



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"An omnivore is an organism that regularly consumes a variety of material, including plants, animals, algae, andfungi. They range in

 

size from tiny insects like ants to large creaturesโ€”like people. Human beings are omnivores. People eat plants, such as vegetables

 

and fruits. We eat animals, cooked as meat or used for products like milk or eggs. We eat fungi such as mushrooms. We also eat algae,

 

in the form of edibleseaweeds such as nori, which are used to wrap sushi rolls, and sea lettuce, eaten in salads. Bears are omnivores,

 

too. They eat plants like berries as well as mushroom fungi and animals like salmon or deer.

 

http://education.nationalgeographic.com/education/encyclopedia/omnivore/?ar_a=1

 

National Geographic certainly believe that humans are omnivores.......not herbivores.......

 



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ref. siggs promoting/touting The National Geographic Mag as being gospel on anything/everything.....

 

 

 

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National Geographic have been known to promote unprovable theories as the truth......... is this practice considered an outright lie?

 

.............i would not believe everything they state as being 'true'    *giggle*

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i find it amazing that things which have been facts for a long time now are discussed here as if no one really knows what it is yet.

 

it's like discussing if water is wet or not at 20 degree celsius.

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No I can't defend it for much longer.
The pain and suffering animals go through just to feed us is becoming a constant thought ๐Ÿ˜ž

I have given up milk, that's my start. Almond milk is yummo ๐Ÿ™‚
Oh I also only get my eggs from a mate, so I know they are cruelty free.
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@siggie-reported-by-alarmists wrote:

As humans are Omnivores.......we actually have more in common with carnivores than herbivores...........

 

Early humans were eating meat  over a million years ago and  possibly as far back as 2.6 million years go.



Yeah but they died out.

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How can such an inane, shallow question generate so many responses? The questioner is experimenting with you for his pleasure.

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 And........

 

This upsets you, why?

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