People smuggling question

[*elizabeths-mum*]

When people purchase their place in the boat, what is the arrangement? Is it that you will be brought to Australia to be processed as a refugee at the appropriate place or that you will be brought to Australia and landed on an isolated bit of coastland where you will be secretly integrated as an illegal immigrant? Or something else? Are the people in the centres those who were caught by the coast watch and are there a lot who arrive undetected?
I am so ignorant about this.

[i-need-a-martini]

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@newstart2380 wrote:

Can anyone enlighten me to this question please?  -  if the "boat people" (who pay huge amounts of money) are sent to PNG to be settled who is paying the PNG government to settle these people ?

From what I understand the Australian government will be paying millions to the PNG government, this means the Australian tax payer will be funding the project.

Does this mean we will be "hit" with another tax maybe called the KRudd "fix the stuffup" tax

I still believe the boats should be stopped from leaving Indonesia, how I don't know but the problem must be tackled at the source not at the destination. 

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That's not a hard question newstart - whether we resettle them under the 'old' system (fly them to Manus Island, keep them in detention for 5 years, process their permanant settlemen tor resettle in Australia) or resettle them under the 'new' system ((fly them to Manus Island, keep them in detention for 5 years, process their permanant settlemen tor resettle in PNG), Australia pays.

But Australia is also paying a high price for being a bunch of whingers - given that we are so adamant that asylum seekers are a major problem and we appear to be quite happy to shift the 'problem' to another country, it seems perfectly reasonable to compensate that other country if they are prepared to 'solve' OUR problem.

At the same time, PNG have rightly asked for our aid to them be upped considerably given that they are doing us such a huge favour.

And with any luck it may resolve the REAL problem - saving lives lost at sea.

Because the real problem is not that we have asylum seekers or that we have to fork out money to help them - you DO realise that don't you?

And all of this has an added benefit - we have increased our intake for refugees which moves more people out of horrific camps in Indonesia.

Do you want any other answers to issues you don't get? .

But perhaps you can answer my question - given the enormous worldwide spike in displaced people that has occurred in the last 5 years (the percentages of which is relative to the increase we have had in the number of displaced people seeking asylum in this country), how is it that this spike is caused by Kevins 'stuff up'? 

[i-need-a-martini]

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@katydidthat wrote:

Really, I don't think most people want to enter Australia illegally ... I think they are so desperate that this appears to be their only option.  

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A reminder Katy that seeking asylum in whatever way is not illegal.

[katydidthat]

Thank you, Martini 🙂

But, the ALP and the Coalition have made seeking asylum on a boat as good as a serious criminal offence that is severely punishable.  

[vampire-teddy]

i think our two great "christian" leaders have no christian values.  have they never heard of the good samaritan.  the way Australia treats refugees is dispicable and it seems it will only get worse.  lucky for most Australians  the Aboriginal people couldn't turn the boats back some 200 plus years ago, though it may have been better for the indigenous population.

[newstart2380]

This will raise a few eyebrows but I believe sterilisation in third world countries would help by cutting population, this would help stop the photos of dying, malnourished fly blown children appearing on our TV screens.

I am saddened every time I see a child dying in its mothers arms in a camp without any food or water because contraception is not manditory.

[lakeland27]

"you lot are poor third world people so you can't have children'  more than raised my eyebrow..

[mtnlane]

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@vampire-teddy wrote:

i think our two great "christian" leaders have no christian values.  have they never heard of the good samaritan.  the way Australia treats refugees is dispicable and it seems it will only get worse.  lucky for most Australians  the Aboriginal people couldn't turn the boats back some 200 plus years ago, though it may have been better for the indigenous population.

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When he was opposition in 2006 leader K Rudd wrote  "the parable of the good Samaritan is but one of many which deal with the matter of how we should respond to a vulnerable stranger in our midst."

http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2006/october/1330040298/kevin-rudd/faith-politics

Obviously political expediency has resulted in him changing his mind.

[lakeland27]

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@mtnlane wrote:

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@vampire-teddy wrote:

i think our two great "christian" leaders have no christian values.  have they never heard of the good samaritan.  the way Australia treats refugees is dispicable and it seems it will only get worse.  lucky for most Australians  the Aboriginal people couldn't turn the boats back some 200 plus years ago, though it may have been better for the indigenous population.

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When he was opposition in 2006 leader K Rudd wrote  "the parable of the good Samaritan is but one of many which deal with the matter of how we should respond to a vulnerable stranger in our midst."

http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2006/october/1330040298/kevin-rudd/faith-politics

Obviously political expediency has resulted in him changing his mind.

the political reality of this doesn't sit very well with me either. i'll vote green on the senate paper for that very reason, will you do

the same mtn ?

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[mtnlane]

LL this is not a forum where I would discuss my voting intentions.

I am sure no-one would be really interested and neither do I seek to influence other posters.

The comment about the 'good samaritan' just caught my eye as I was scrolling through and reminded me of K Rudd's earlier statement   

[*elizabeths-mum*]

Hi newstart, I know what you are saying and agree it is heartbreaking. I don't know what the answer is though. A documentary on the ABC last year about birth in different countries included pregnant woman in a third world country whose only hope for a better life was to keep having children because one of them may be great and save the family from the poverty they live in. I found that tragic.