People smuggling question

[*elizabeths-mum*]

When people purchase their place in the boat, what is the arrangement? Is it that you will be brought to Australia to be processed as a refugee at the appropriate place or that you will be brought to Australia and landed on an isolated bit of coastland where you will be secretly integrated as an illegal immigrant? Or something else? Are the people in the centres those who were caught by the coast watch and are there a lot who arrive undetected?
I am so ignorant about this.

[not_an_eloi]

yeh, uegenics ignorantees believed that also, newstart, in the early-mid nineteen'undreds in the u.s.  

this is one of the many results that occur in the aftermath of that ignorant thinkin' 

 http://www.medicaldaily.com/articles/17854/20130728/north-carolina-sterilization-eugenics-sterile-co...

[lakeland27]

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@mtnlane wrote:

LL this is not a forum where I would discuss my voting intentions.

I am sure no-one would be really interested and neither do I seek to influence other posters.

The comment about the 'good samaritan' just caught my eye as I was scrolling through and reminded me of K Rudd's earlier statement   

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 it wasn't a genuine inquiry anyway.  just a bit of light hearted prodding  

[mtnlane]

I realised that LL, having read some of your posts in the past 

[***super_nova***]

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
Hi newstart, I know what you are saying and agree it is heartbreaking. I don't know what the answer is though. A documentary on the ABC last year about birth in different countries included a pregnant woman in a third world country whose only hope for a better life was to keep having children because one of them may be great and save the family from the poverty they live in. I found that tragic.

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Or one of them might actually survive to adulthood.   The child mortality in these countries is still high but the most important problem is that many women in the very poor countries do not have access to contraception; it is too expensive.  Interestingly, once people become more affluent they have less children.  

But in any case, number of children have nothing to do with why people become displaced.  That happens due to wars. 

[*elizabeths-mum*]

The woman in the documentary watched specifically said that she has to keep having children in the hope that one may be great and save the family from poverty. I think it stuck in my mind because it was such a desperate hope. I think she had already lost a few children as well. 😞

[i-need-a-martini]

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@newstart2380 wrote:

This will raise a few eyebrows but I believe sterilisation in third world countries would help by cutting population, this would help stop the photos of dying, malnourished fly blown children appearing on our TV screens.

I am saddened every time I see a child dying in its mothers arms in a camp without any food or water because contraception is not manditory.

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IN what way is that connected to the subject in the OP?

[polksaladallie]

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@***super_nova*** wrote:

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@*elizabeths-mum* wrote:
Hi newstart, I know what you are saying and agree it is heartbreaking. I don't know what the answer is though. A documentary on the ABC last year about birth in different countries included a pregnant woman in a third world country whose only hope for a better life was to keep having children because one of them may be great and save the family from the poverty they live in. I found that tragic.

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Or one of them might actually survive to adulthood.   The child mortality in these countries is still high but the most important problem is that many women in the very poor countries do not have access to contraception; it is too expensive.  Interestingly, once people become more affluent they have less children.  

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In many other countries, the people have their own methods of contraception, which do not cost.  We could learn from them, instead of swallowing carcinogenic pills.  Lets not impose out methods onto them.

If their children were given food and medicine, they would have fewer babies.

[polksaladallie]

Apparently Abbott on television this morning demonstrated his plans to build accomodation for 5000 refugees on Nauru.

Why will he need to do that if he is going to stop the boats?

[lurker17260]

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@newstart2380 wrote:

This will raise a few eyebrows but I believe sterilisation in third world countries would help by cutting population, this would help stop the photos of dying, malnourished fly blown children appearing on our TV screens.

I am saddened every time I see a child dying in its mothers arms in a camp without any food or water because contraception is not manditory.

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You want to sterilise (STERILISE!!) countless numbers of people so that you dont have an uncomfortable television experience? 

I am utterly speechless!

[katydidthat]

Those poor, damaged people ... whether Nauru or PNG, they deserve better.  

There was quite a bit of information on AM this morning.  An Afghani female politician pleaded with our government not to send women and children to PNG because of the violence.  Another person talked about how many women in PNG were subject to rape and domestic violence ... the figure of 70% was in there somewhere ... 

Allie, why don't you email him and ask?  LOL ...