Please find another time for Protest

If you're fighting to protect people's lives, why not start by not risking the innocent lives of everyone elses. Find another time. I will have more respect for you. I was just saying the other day: Thank God that Australians aren't as crazy as Americans and we have at least some common sense not to choose this time to protest. 

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If you want to learn bit more about police brutality against black Americans watch today at 3.45 American ABC news on SBS VICELAND = channel 031, I watched at 12.30 on SBS (channel 003).  Amazing, kid arrested for "jaywalking" = walking on the road in quiet suburban street with no traffic and no footpath.   Other being dragged out of a car  in which was traveling with his grandmother for no reason what so ever and handcuffed.  Then Breonna Taylor, an ambulance driver, who was shot in her own home when police came to a wrong house.  Yes, police also sometimes does that to white people, but per capita black people in America are far more likely to end up arrested for nothing, and /or killed in the process. 

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According to a 2015 Australian government report, 49% of Australian prisoners have been diagnosed with a mental illness

 

https://www.aihw.gov.au/reports/prisoners/health-of-australias-prisoners-2015/contents/mental-health... 

 

And a similar report from 2019 shows over half of all prisoners where unemployed at the time of arrest with one in three being homeless.

 

https://www.aihw.gov.au/news-media/media-releases/2019/may-1/prisoners-more-likely-to-be-homeless-un... 

 

While I haven't looked into the figures in America I would expect they would show similar trends. Incarceration and disproportionate exchanges with police are clearly not just a " black " issue. It is a much wider social issue stemming from poverty and social disadvantage, regardless of race.

 

By simply focusing on " Black Lives " while ignoring exactly the same social disadvantage in other races, protesters are displaying exactly the same discrimination and racism they purport to object too.

 

All lives matter equally, regardless of the colour of a persons skin.

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@the_bob_delusion wrote:

Let's add context to the first cartoon. 

 

Do black live matter as much as white lives? Sure

Do black lives matter to black people? Doesn't seem like they do. They do more harm to themselves than anyone outside. 

 

2nd cartoon context. 

 

The black's house is uncared for, people inside graffitting it, dealing drugs and hookers. Blacks complaining that they don't get extra attention when there's a fire. Why should others care about your house, if you don't . 

 

Let's look at the oppressed in history who actually started bettering themselves. The Jews. The Chinese immigrants. the Italians. Ask yourself how they managed? They had limited resources. 

 

 


I'm not going to even bother with commenting on the cartoons and your interpretation.

OK, so you're making a comparison between Jews, Chinese and Italians. Well, you forgot Irish and Latino.

 

* Well, let's go to Jews first. Yes, they suffered terribly in Europe and they experienced a lot of discrimination in the US. But, many had money and educational advantage. They got into the entertainment industry and gave each other helping hands. They got into finance as well. As a result they have achieved the dream. They changed their names as well. unlike African Americans, they were never enslaved in the US.

 

* Chinese, well many Chinese had connections and ran businesses employing their town people. A lot of Chinese were employed in jobs that African Americans weren't allowed to work in and were not as restricted as African Americans were. In short, they had a head start. By the time Chinese were owning restaurants, laundry / dry cleaning / fruit and vege businesses, African Americans had the lowest paid jobs (if they were lucky to get any) , still couldn't vote or use public facilities that whites could and those working on farms as sharecroppers ( a dirty cunning modern slavery scheme*** ) were stuck in a cycle of perpetual debt!  Many, in  hope of a better life moved to the cities to find work. There they found only the worst and lowest paying jobs were available to  them. Then there was the most destructive element that has destroyed the family unit. Click here to find read about it. . And better still, see if you can track down the original article by the Jan Jose Mercury. An Australian journalist whose name eludes me at this time spoke about it on TV.

 

* Italians have done quite well with businesses and they were long able to own businesses when African  Americans weren't able to. They also had a huge head start. Some of the Italians Anglocised their names as well.

 

Remember African Americans weren't allowed to vote until August 6th, 1965.

 

A good article about lynchings which continued well into the Twentieth Century is here. And what could be described as a modern-day extension of that is the example of what happened when Bush won the 2000 election which many perceive to  be nothing more than a scam. You can read about a bit of it here! 

 

 

BTW: Did you read my earlier post about the excecution of Latasha Harlins by Soon Ja Du and check out what the punishment was.  The Wikipedia article is here! 

 

 

I'm not going to write any more in this reply. I hope you'll take into consideration some other factors. I'll leave it up to you.

 


@the_bob_delusion wrote:

 

Protests does nothing. I want to see protestors actually doing something that makes a difference apart from spreading the virus. 


 

The virus of racism can  be more destructive than any man made or "came out from who knows where" kind of virus. When people are at their wits end because nobody listens and feel they have no more options and feel that they are pushed into a corner, then protesting is the only option.

 

Remember: Dr. King acheieved a lot with his protests.

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@4channel wrote:

 

 

The virus of racism can  be more destructive than any man made or "came out from who knows where" kind of virus. When people are at their wits end because nobody listens and feel they have no more options and feel that they are pushed into a corner, then protesting is the only option.

 

Remember: Dr. King acheieved a lot with his protests.


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Sadly, most of the time nobody listens unless there are mass protests.  The problem is that the virus has the capacity to kill  lot of people if we do not take precautions.  Just look at the US and Brazil, hospitals are at capacity, and about thousand people a day die, officially.  India is becoming real disaster; hospitals are overwhelmed; people are driving with their sick relatives from one hospital to another, and cannot get any help for them.  The official figures are not believable; it is estimated that there are at least 1/2 million people infected just in Delhi, and many are starving as they lost their jobs and cannot afford to buy food. 

 

Of course, when we take precautions and control the spread of CV19, then it feels like it is not really that dangerous.  But the moment we will stop being careful it will come back. 

 

I do not get it; there should be massive on line protest, and I and many people would support it.  Twenty thousand protestors in Sydney might look impressive, but well thought on line petition could have hundreds thousand if not millions. 

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My point is, the issue is culture not race. 

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Interesting that in the US there has been more of an uproar (from my reading) about the BLM than there was about the protests re opening up the economy

 

Part of me wonders if the Australian protests were a good thing. If there is no second wave as a result then perhaps we have the virus fairly well under control and are on track to reopen. If there is a second wave then perhaps the federal government will stop pressuring States to reopen

 

(I am at risk so wouldn't take part anyway)

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The other point is that protesters are flouting the law. It's called "Civil Disobedience".

 

"Protesters have vowed to push ahead with a Black Lives Matter rally in Sydney today, despite it being ruled illegal.

 

The NSW Supreme Court yesterday said the protest, which was expected to draw a crowd of more than 5000 people outside Sydney Town Hall, would violate the state’s coronavirus restrictions and risk spreading the disease."

 

https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/australia/black-lives-matter-protesters-vow-to-push-ahead-...

 

Like, police can fine ppl sitting on park benches or cycling two abreast on city roads for breaking social distancing rules. Amounts like $1000 or more, but against a mob, they are powerless.

 

If you like a "mob rules" society, I hope you're prepared for home invasions and being robbed and bashed in the street in the street by large groups of ppl,  or having your car stolen from your driveway, you're going in the right direction. 

Or should I say, "the left direction".

 

Who will you call with no police prepared or understaffed  to come to your assistance?

 

And who will even want to join the police force to protect society, with society so against them?

 

 

 

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@cezm wrote:

Interesting that in the US there has been more of an uproar (from my reading) about the BLM than there was about the protests re opening up the economy

 

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I am not sure what you mean about uproar?  There is an overall support for the BLM, because people are absolutely disgusted by what they saw in the video of George Floyd being killed.  Of course, most people do not support the rioting and burning, except the racist white supremacists who would love to have a civil war. 

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Part of me wonders if the Australian protests were a good thing. If there is no second wave as a result then perhaps we have the virus fairly well under control and are on track to reopen. If there is a second wave then perhaps the federal government will stop pressuring States to reopen

 

(I am at risk so wouldn't take part anyway)

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It is not under control in all states, and just because there may not be big upsurge from the protests does not mean anything more than they are lucky that among the 10 or 20 thousands present there was not one infectious person.  There might be few hundred infectious people around, but if you pick up random sample of 20 000 from the 5 million (Melbourne or Sydney) the chance is they will not be in that sample. 

 

I missed last night news, so not sure what the stats for yesterday were.  But this morning I heard on the radio from the next room, something about a doctor getting sick and testing positive .  Apparently, he worked for the past week in several Melbourne practices.  Now, he also had to get it from somebody, and the person who infected him, is still out there possibly infecting others. 

 

That's Victoria.  NT seems OK for time being.  I hope they keep the borders shut.  I do not get all this wanting to open state borders; it will not bring more people.  lets say there is 1000 people in NSW who will go for holidays to Queensland, and 1000 people in Queensland who will go to NSW; everybody just breaks even.  They might as well stay in their state and spend their money there.  Now, I used to go to Port Douglas  in middle of the winter, which is much nicer than Melbourne at that time of the year, BUT why would any other state want us if we keep finding new cases pretty much daily? 

We need to eradicate the virus, and then allow tourist from other COVID free countries to bring the $$$ in.  Once that happen we will be very attractive tourist destination.  The only way is to keep testing and contact tracing.  Have not heard anything about the app....  Wonder how efective it si?

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Second person tested positive after they attended the Melbourne protest.  Not connected to the 1st person in any way.  😞 

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